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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 28 Jan 2009 10:19:20
Message: <49807778@news.povray.org>
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nemesis wrote:
> FlashBlock?! My sister won't even touch Firefox! Anytime I'm at my
> parent's and leave the computer for others to use -- it's a single
> Windows passwordless session (because it's "easy") -- I leave Firefox
> open with a clean new tab. First thing she does is close Firefox and
> click on the old blue e. It's like dog conditioning, I guess, because
> she seems to not even realize it's a web browser sitting just before her...
...did you just call somebody a dog? ;-)
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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 28 Jan 2009 11:10:21
Message: <4980836d$1@news.povray.org>
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> As someone who runs Linux on his desktop... I agree.
>
> I use KDE 3.5. Yesterday I tried GNOME. Today I tried KDE 4. My opinion
> was "I want to go write a desktop environment from scratch NOW! None of the
> current ones is any good!"
Try KDE 4.2? Just came out and is "supposed" to be the first in the 4.x
series that was really meant for end users.
You may be right about DE's, however, Windows doesn't even come close
when it comes to window managers. No way will I sacrifice my WM for
anything Windows provides.
--
"Scotty, beam us a board!" (2x4 drops from sky)
/\ /\ /\ /
/ \/ \ u e e n / \/ a w a z
>>>>>>mue### [at] nawaz org<<<<<<
anl
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Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> You may be right about DE's, however, Windows doesn't even come close
> when it comes to window managers. No way will I sacrifice my WM for
> anything Windows provides.
I've yet to find a WM that's less annoying than Windows.
(Unless you count AmigaOS, anyway...)
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 28 Jan 2009 11:17:50
Message: <4980852e$1@news.povray.org>
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:01:45 +0100, scott wrote:
> AIUI MS are trying to crush Linux by improving their products in areas
> where they think Linux is better.
If they do that, that's fine. Historically, they haven't, though (in
general, I'm sure someone could say "well, they did here"), but instead
have engaged in FUD and using scare tactics ("Linux is tainted by
proprietary code that Microsoft owns", for example - allegations that
have never been proven, but have in fact been successfully refuted over
and over). Of course, the use of these kinds of scare tactics pull
resources from Linux development in order to defend against them, so MS
uses that strategy to slow development of a competing product down. With
varying degrees of effectiveness - having a pool of volunteer coders
helps with that....
Jim
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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 28 Jan 2009 11:17:59
Message: <49808537$1@news.povray.org>
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Invisible wrote:
> M$ has somehow succeeded in convincing people that it is somehow
> "normal" for computers to not work correctly.
Unintended side effect. People think it's normal because it happens on
most other computers they know (all running MS).
> I mean, if your car occasionally stalled for no apparent reason, you'd
> demand to have it fixed. But if your computer sometimes doesn't work,
Not if almost all your friends' cars also exhibited this behavior.
--
"Scotty, beam us a board!" (2x4 drops from sky)
/\ /\ /\ /
/ \/ \ u e e n / \/ a w a z
>>>>>>mue### [at] nawazorg<<<<<<
anl
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 28 Jan 2009 12:01:03
Message: <49808f4f@news.povray.org>
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:26:24 -0500, Warp wrote:
> > If Microsoft (and especially Steve Ballmer) stopped trolling around
> > and
> > concentrated only on what they are good at, they could get a better
> > reputation. But no. I think that at least with Steve Ballmer it's some
> > kind of odd twisted imago reputation which he *wants* to maintain, for
> > some incomprehensible reason.
> For Ballmer (and Gates before him), it's all about control. They don't
> like what they can't control, so they have to either try to control it or
> destroy it.
And that's why he always tries as hard as possible to become the
laughing stock of the internet with his stupid antics?
--
- Warp
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 28 Jan 2009 12:03:18
Message: <49808fd6@news.povray.org>
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> > If Microsoft (and especially Steve Ballmer) stopped trolling around and
> > concentrated only on what they are good at, they could get a better
> > reputation.
> I don't think so.
You are probably right: The damage has already been done and there's
nothing MS can do to fix it.
--
- Warp
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 28 Jan 2009 12:07:09
Message: <498090bd@news.povray.org>
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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> FlashBlock?! My sister won't even touch Firefox! Anytime I'm at my
> parent's and leave the computer for others to use -- it's a single
> Windows passwordless session (because it's "easy") -- I leave Firefox
> open with a clean new tab. First thing she does is close Firefox and
> click on the old blue e. It's like dog conditioning, I guess, because
> she seems to not even realize it's a web browser sitting just before her...
Download an IE skin for Firefox and change Firefox's icon to that of IE.
See how long it takes for her to notice there's something wrong with it.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> You are probably right: The damage has already been done and there's
> nothing MS can do to fix it.
Exactly.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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Invisible wrote:
> M$ has somehow succeeded in convincing people that it is somehow
> "normal" for computers to not work correctly.
Not really. Personal computers never worked consistently right. Mainframes,
yes, but not micros or PCs. (And by PC, I mean everything from TRS-80 to
Apple ][ to Commodore PET to ...)
> I mean, if your car occasionally stalled for no apparent reason, you'd
> demand to have it fixed. But if your computer sometimes doesn't work,
> everybody seems to think that that's just "how it is", and that this
> incorrect behaviour is somehow "acceptable".
Because nobody really understands how a computer is *supposed* to work.
Those that do hang out on geek lists and bitch about how broken they are.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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