Warp wrote:
> nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> Warp escreveu:
>>> 2) Why does Microsoft care about Linux, with its... what? Less than 1% market
>>> share?
> 
>> I think they are more worried about enterprise Linux server installs, 
>> which go beyond that puny 1% mark.
> 
>   Even if 10% of companies used Linux in their servers, how much does
> that mean in the total revenue of Microsoft?
> 
>   I would wildly guess that at least 99% of Windows sales revenues come
> from individuals, the remaining 1% from other companies. If FUD'ing the
> one tenth of companies not using Windows in their servers to switch to
> Windows would succeed, how much would Microsoft's revenue increase?
> Something 0.1%? One thousandth of what they current get.

	I wouldn't be so sure about those figures. See:

http://www.ventureblogalist.com/?p=96
http://www.belshe.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/msftbreakdown.png

	I think it's mostly companies that buy servers and tools.


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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:12:33 -0200, nemesis wrote:
> 
>> nemesis escreveu:
>>> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:51:23 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Autodesk is the Adobe of 3D software:  AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Maya and now
>>>>> they also assimilated XSI, much to the dismay of its users as the
>>>>> crying in many forums worldwide suggests...
>>>> Autodesk is *owned* by Adobe....
>>> what?  WHAAATTT??!
>>>
>>> seriously, never heard of that before... :O
>> oh, I see, you're actually saying Adobe PWNS Autodesk, right? ;)
> 
> Yeaaaah, yeah, that's what I meant. ;-)

And just when I was going to say that you REALLY drove my point home...

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Nicolas Alvarez escreveu:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
>> I don't see Linux gaining the end user desktop market in the foreseeable
>> future.
> 
> As someone who runs Linux on his desktop... I agree.

This comes as a surprise!  Since when, might I ask?

> I use KDE 3.5. Yesterday I tried GNOME. Today I tried KDE 4.

Tomorrow you'll try recompiling the kernel and installing microsoft 
fonts and Office running on wine, right? ;)

I smell a new Linux user temporaly blind by all the geeky 
possibilities... :D

> My opinion
> was "I want to go write a desktop environment from scratch NOW! None of the
> current ones is any good!"

Oh, better than recompiling the kernel, I guess.

BTW, both latest Gnome and KDE 4 are pure finesse when compared to the 
geeky desktop environments I had to cope with in the old days.  Anyone 
remembers when Gnome used to come with Lispy Sawfish and Xeyes? ;)

They also hold up quite well when compared to Vista.  Aqua is another 
level, though...

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:02:58 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> There's OpenXchange, and another I've heard of called Zimbra, I think.
> 
> Neither is really the same thing, any more than Google Mail/Calendar/etc
> is.

I've never really looked in-depth at either of them, but it seems to me 
that if the backend provides the same functionality as Exchange and can 
use an Outlook client, then it should be sufficient.

My understanding (again, not from direct experience) was that those two 
products provided that.

Jim

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:24:03 -0600, Mike Raiford wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:12:33 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>> 
>>> nemesis escreveu:
>>>> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:51:23 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Autodesk is the Adobe of 3D software:  AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Maya and
>>>>>> now they also assimilated XSI, much to the dismay of its users as
>>>>>> the crying in many forums worldwide suggests...
>>>>> Autodesk is *owned* by Adobe....
>>>> what?  WHAAATTT??!
>>>>
>>>> seriously, never heard of that before... :O
>>> oh, I see, you're actually saying Adobe PWNS Autodesk, right? ;)
>> 
>> Yeaaaah, yeah, that's what I meant. ;-)
> 
> And just when I was going to say that you REALLY drove my point home...

Hehehehe, well, maybe that's what I meant, subconsciously. ;-)

Jim

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:17:31 -0200, nemesis wrote:


>> I don't think so. But we'll have to agree to disagree.
> 
> I don't think so either.  Microsoft *are* doing what they are good at.
> ;)

It's just a question of what you think they're good at. ;-)

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> My understanding (again, not from direct experience) was that those two 
> products provided that.

They try. :-)

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:04:54 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> My understanding (again, not from direct experience) was that those two
>> products provided that.
> 
> They try. :-)

Well, it's also been about 6 years since I ran Exchange for e-mail.  :-)

Jim

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nemesis wrote:

> Nicolas Alvarez escreveu:
>> Mike Raiford wrote:
>>> I don't see Linux gaining the end user desktop market in the foreseeable
>>> future.
>> 
>> As someone who runs Linux on his desktop... I agree.
> 
> This comes as a surprise!  Since when, might I ask?

Not sure. Over 6 months ago. Any idea where that might be stored? Any file
timestamp unlikely to change since install? Since May 2008 it seems, but I
thought it was at least a month later than that...

For what *I* typically do on a computer (which involves a lot of C++
compiling), it's perfect. And my mom can still read her email.

>> I use KDE 3.5. Yesterday I tried GNOME. Today I tried KDE 4.
> 
> Tomorrow you'll try recompiling the kernel and installing microsoft
> fonts and Office running on wine, right? ;)
> 
> I smell a new Linux user temporaly blind by all the geeky
> possibilities... :D

I'm not new; I did admin stuff on a remote server (over ssh) for like a year
before installing Linux on my desktop; and I installed Linux on my desktop
over 6 months ago.

I used KDE 3.5 all the time here. I should update to the next version of
Kubuntu, but that means going to KDE 4 like it or not. I was also trying
GNOME because last time I tried it was years ago. Doesn't seem to have
improved much.

I was comparing because KDE 3.5 isn't really that good. But it seems the
alternatives aren't too much better...

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>  I would wildly guess that at least 99% of Windows sales revenues come
> from individuals, the remaining 1% from other companies. If FUD'ing the
> one tenth of companies not using Windows in their servers to switch to
> Windows would succeed, how much would Microsoft's revenue increase?
> Something 0.1%? One thousandth of what they current get.
>
>  Big deal? I really think MS is just being paranoid and making a lot
> of noise over nothing.

0.1% of what MS currently gets is quite a lot of money, enough to employ 
lots more people, build new offices, maybe even help to payoff the EU some 
more :-)  You can't ignore 0.1% of your total revenue!

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