Mike Raiford wrote:
> I don't see Linux gaining the end user desktop market in the foreseeable
> future.

As someone who runs Linux on his desktop... I agree.

I use KDE 3.5. Yesterday I tried GNOME. Today I tried KDE 4. My opinion
was "I want to go write a desktop environment from scratch NOW! None of the
current ones is any good!"

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Warp wrote:
> (and especially Steve Ballmer)

Also known as Elmer FUD. (I read about that name on a forum, it's *amazing*
how well it fits him)

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Warp wrote:
> nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> Warp escreveu:
>>> 2) Why does Microsoft care about Linux, with its... what? Less than 1% market
>>> share?
> 
>> I think they are more worried about enterprise Linux server installs, 
>> which go beyond that puny 1% mark.
> 
>   Even if 10% of companies used Linux in their servers, how much does
> that mean in the total revenue of Microsoft?
> 
>   I would wildly guess that at least 99% of Windows sales revenues come
> from individuals, the remaining 1% from other companies. If FUD'ing the
> one tenth of companies not using Windows in their servers to switch to
> Windows would succeed, how much would Microsoft's revenue increase?
> Something 0.1%? One thousandth of what they current get.

	I wouldn't be so sure about those figures. See:

http://www.ventureblogalist.com/?p=96
http://www.belshe.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/msftbreakdown.png

	I think it's mostly companies that buy servers and tools.


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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:12:33 -0200, nemesis wrote:
> 
>> nemesis escreveu:
>>> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:51:23 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Autodesk is the Adobe of 3D software:  AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Maya and now
>>>>> they also assimilated XSI, much to the dismay of its users as the
>>>>> crying in many forums worldwide suggests...
>>>> Autodesk is *owned* by Adobe....
>>> what?  WHAAATTT??!
>>>
>>> seriously, never heard of that before... :O
>> oh, I see, you're actually saying Adobe PWNS Autodesk, right? ;)
> 
> Yeaaaah, yeah, that's what I meant. ;-)

And just when I was going to say that you REALLY drove my point home...

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Nicolas Alvarez escreveu:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
>> I don't see Linux gaining the end user desktop market in the foreseeable
>> future.
> 
> As someone who runs Linux on his desktop... I agree.

This comes as a surprise!  Since when, might I ask?

> I use KDE 3.5. Yesterday I tried GNOME. Today I tried KDE 4.

Tomorrow you'll try recompiling the kernel and installing microsoft 
fonts and Office running on wine, right? ;)

I smell a new Linux user temporaly blind by all the geeky 
possibilities... :D

> My opinion
> was "I want to go write a desktop environment from scratch NOW! None of the
> current ones is any good!"

Oh, better than recompiling the kernel, I guess.

BTW, both latest Gnome and KDE 4 are pure finesse when compared to the 
geeky desktop environments I had to cope with in the old days.  Anyone 
remembers when Gnome used to come with Lispy Sawfish and Xeyes? ;)

They also hold up quite well when compared to Vista.  Aqua is another 
level, though...

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:02:58 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> There's OpenXchange, and another I've heard of called Zimbra, I think.
> 
> Neither is really the same thing, any more than Google Mail/Calendar/etc
> is.

I've never really looked in-depth at either of them, but it seems to me 
that if the backend provides the same functionality as Exchange and can 
use an Outlook client, then it should be sufficient.

My understanding (again, not from direct experience) was that those two 
products provided that.

Jim

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:24:03 -0600, Mike Raiford wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:12:33 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>> 
>>> nemesis escreveu:
>>>> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:51:23 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Autodesk is the Adobe of 3D software:  AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Maya and
>>>>>> now they also assimilated XSI, much to the dismay of its users as
>>>>>> the crying in many forums worldwide suggests...
>>>>> Autodesk is *owned* by Adobe....
>>>> what?  WHAAATTT??!
>>>>
>>>> seriously, never heard of that before... :O
>>> oh, I see, you're actually saying Adobe PWNS Autodesk, right? ;)
>> 
>> Yeaaaah, yeah, that's what I meant. ;-)
> 
> And just when I was going to say that you REALLY drove my point home...

Hehehehe, well, maybe that's what I meant, subconsciously. ;-)

Jim

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:17:31 -0200, nemesis wrote:


>> I don't think so. But we'll have to agree to disagree.
> 
> I don't think so either.  Microsoft *are* doing what they are good at.
> ;)

It's just a question of what you think they're good at. ;-)

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> My understanding (again, not from direct experience) was that those two 
> products provided that.

They try. :-)

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:04:54 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> My understanding (again, not from direct experience) was that those two
>> products provided that.
> 
> They try. :-)

Well, it's also been about 6 years since I ran Exchange for e-mail.  :-)

Jim

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