clipka escreveu:
> And of course, the one you will pick first (and team up against with your clan)
> is the biggest and most powerful of them all.

speak for yourself, dude... ;)

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Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] npgcablecom> wrote:
> MS is becoming what Big Blue was in the mainframe era. Someone so
> focused on their "existing" product, that they suddenly find that the
> rug is being pulled out from under their feet, and worse, someone moved
> anything they could grab hold of to keep from falling down. Mind, I
> don't think its going to be "quite" as bad for them, since its not
> changing an entire architecture, but they still have a huge problem.

Well, I think the article shows that MS has a chance to avoid the same fate as
Big Blue: They seem to be quite a pro-active bunch, given how much they worried
about Linux 6 years ago already.

Maybe their pro-activity is not the type everyone is hoping for, but that's a
different story.

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On 27-Jan-09 20:18, nemesis wrote:
> clipka escreveu:
>> And of course, the one you will pick first (and team up against with 
>> your clan)
>> is the biggest and most powerful of them all.
> 
> speak for yourself, dude... ;)

seconded

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:17:38 -0200, nemesis wrote:

> nemesis escreveu:
>> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:09:07 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:51:23 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Autodesk is the Adobe of 3D software:  AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Maya and
>>>>>> now they also assimilated XSI, much to the dismay of its users as
>>>>>> the crying in many forums worldwide suggests...
>>>>> Autodesk is *owned* by Adobe....
>>>> what?  WHAAATTT??!
>>>>
>>>> seriously, never heard of that before... :O
>>>
>>> And I have faulty memory.  I could've sworn I heard that Adobe had
>>> acquired Autodesk, but it seems I was mistaken.
>>>
>>> Still, I'll bet you're awake now. ;-)
>> 
>> hah!  I was awake and the coffee almost spilled through my nose when I
>> read that! :P
> 
> cause that would be like some superhypermegamonopoly... not that the 2
> beasts are away from it in their respective markets... :P

Hehehehehe, well, it could be something like Mitsubishi (or Computer 
Associates). :-)

Jim

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Warp wrote:
>   But they are getting money which would be better spent in improving
> the products.

Your products won't sell if you eliminate the entire marketing department, 
regardless how good they are.

>   Why do you think MS is so hated and eg. Apple isn't?

Because 10x the number of people use MS products as Apple products? Because 
MS *doesn't* control the whole Windows experience and people blame MS for 
the crap software put out by others?

I even hear from people bitching that Microsoft bought their company and 
they wanted to stay in control of it.  Welcome to capitalism - don't sell if 
you don't want it.

> Because Apple doesn't
> use so many glaringly dubious attack tactics and get the hatred of every
> living being on Earth.

... yet.

Or haven't you heard the complaints about iTunes DRM locking it to the iPod, 
the Apple Store being the only source of iPhone software and regulated 
capriciously by Apple, or even the bitching about how hard it was to open up 
the original Mac computers without special tools?

And speaking of FUD, have you watched any of the "Hi, I'm a PC" commercials 
lately? :-)  They're getting embarrassing.

>   If Microsoft (and especially Steve Ballmer) stopped trolling around and
> concentrated only on what they are good at, they could get a better
> reputation.

I don't think so. But we'll have to agree to disagree.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> There's OpenXchange, and another I've heard of called Zimbra, I think.

Neither is really the same thing, any more than Google Mail/Calendar/etc is.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."

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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Neither of those is going to stand long.

I see MS doing lots of new things that aren't on Linux, tho. You don't stay 
ahead by not inventing anything new.

> BTW, here the one about how the EU may have finally gotten so annoyed at 
> IE being integrated in MS' machines that they may require new installs 
> to "include" an alternative browser "standard" in all of them? Can't 
> imagine that making things better for them either...

Or, honestly, for the users or browser vendors. At this point, nobody can 
actually *sell* a browser, so I'm not sure what the point of not giving away 
a browser is, or how you decide which of the 8 or 10 popular browsers out 
there you should be including.

Sort of like phone company "competition" here - there are areas where to 
call your neighbor, you have to dial all 10 digits, instead of the usual 7 
for calls within the same city. Why? Because the mobile phone companies 
complained that mobile users had to dial 10 digits, and this was "unfair". 
Since it's impossible to actually improve that, the only way to make it fair 
is to make it equally inconvenient for everyone.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."

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Darren New escreveu:
> And speaking of FUD, have you watched any of the "Hi, I'm a PC" 
> commercials lately? :-)  They're getting embarrassing.

Apple has style and sense of humour.  Microsoft just looks bland like a 
nondescript beige PC of old... :D

>>   If Microsoft (and especially Steve Ballmer) stopped trolling around and
>> concentrated only on what they are good at, they could get a better
>> reputation.
> 
> I don't think so. But we'll have to agree to disagree.

I don't think so either.  Microsoft *are* doing what they are good at. ;)

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Mike Raiford wrote:
> I don't see Linux gaining the end user desktop market in the foreseeable
> future.

As someone who runs Linux on his desktop... I agree.

I use KDE 3.5. Yesterday I tried GNOME. Today I tried KDE 4. My opinion
was "I want to go write a desktop environment from scratch NOW! None of the
current ones is any good!"

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Warp wrote:
> (and especially Steve Ballmer)

Also known as Elmer FUD. (I read about that name on a forum, it's *amazing*
how well it fits him)

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