nemesis wrote:
> Warp escreveu:
>> 2) Why does Microsoft care about Linux, with its... what? Less than 1% 
>> market
>> share?
> 
> I think they are more worried about enterprise Linux server installs, 
> which go beyond that puny 1% mark.  Even if the Linux is serving a 
> primarily Windows desktop network, it doesn't bode well that such 
> desktops are not trapped to proprietary Microsoft server solutions.
> 
> It means suddenly Visual Studio developers may be targetting MySQL or 
> PostgreSQL databases rather than SQL Server, for instance.  Heck, they 
> may end up even using open-source libs rather than what's in the Windows 
> API if control is too loose over them... :P

Well, the point here is, these are documents expressing worry about 
Linux "somehow" causing Windows problems, 7 years ago, when, frankly, it 
still was a pain in the ass to do some things. Now.. If you really want 
to, you can nearly hide it under a shell that "looks and acts" like XP, 
some of its desktop stuff, like compiz (assuming I spelled that right), 
makes the "innovations" available in Vista look lame, and even the gap 
between Windows and Linux software is "currently" only held by a few 
obscure WINE bugs, which effect about the same percentage of software as 
the transition from say Win 3.1 to 95 did, and the lack of Direct3D 
support. Neither of those is going to stand long. And the recent 
notebook fiasco has pretty much brought home for everyone that Windows 
was "never" intended to run on low resources at even "close" to the same 
functionality, if at all.

MS is becoming what Big Blue was in the mainframe era. Someone so 
focused on their "existing" product, that they suddenly find that the 
rug is being pulled out from under their feet, and worse, someone moved 
anything they could grab hold of to keep from falling down. Mind, I 
don't think its going to be "quite" as bad for them, since its not 
changing an entire architecture, but they still have a huge problem.

BTW, here the one about how the EU may have finally gotten so annoyed at 
IE being integrated in MS' machines that they may require new installs 
to "include" an alternative browser "standard" in all of them? Can't 
imagine that making things better for them either...

-- 
void main () {

     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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Darren New wrote:
> Warp wrote:
>>   Big deal? I really think MS is just being paranoid and making a lot
>> of noise over nothing.
> 
> Maybe by making a lot of noise over Linux, they think they can distract 
> attention from Apple and Sun? :-)
> 
>>   IMO they should invest their resources on making better products
> 
> The people creating the FUD about Linux aren't the people writing the MS 
> software. :-)
> 
>> You don't get a positive image of yourself by bashing your opponents. 
>  > You do it by doing
>> a good job and offering high-quality products, and letting your products
>> speak for you.
> 
> I think MS makes good products and many people bash MS, to the point 
> where there are people around that are just as much anti-MS-fanboys as 
> there are Apple-fanboys. It's hard to say whether simply having the best 
> product is sufficient.
> 
One of the points of this article is that these are high level MS 
people, who are afraid of what Linux "could be", saying the 180 degree 
opposite of everything that every FUD campaign MS ever put out, and 
every MS connected internet shill still babbles, has declared are the 
"weaknesses" of Linux. These people are effectively admitting that its 
not just a lie, but indirectly, that they are willing to lie to you, me, 
and anyone else, to get a sale.

That is what pisses me off about MS, not the "quality" of their 
software, which frankly, is only higher quality because they have more 
experience at integrating stuff, over decades, while burying any 
competition, than some others have, and, whether you want to admit it or 
not, sometimes they miss more than they hit, their entire design is so 
unworkable they actually stated, "We can't fix this at all, we have to 
start over if you really want all the stuff you planned!", when trying 
to figure out what to do when going from XP to Vista, and things still 
break for no comprehensible reason, sometimes "while" doing something as 
"supposedly simple", as initially *correctly* detecting hardware, which 
is not a problem Linux has at all.

No, they make decent software. So do a lot of FOSS people. But good? 
Tell me that when no one has to reinstall a device driver because 
Windows, in any flavor, misidentifies the damn thing, just for a start...

-- 
void main () {
   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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Jim Henderson escreveu:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:51:23 -0200, nemesis wrote:
> 
>> Autodesk is the Adobe of 3D software:  AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Maya and now
>> they also assimilated XSI, much to the dismay of its users as the crying
>> in many forums worldwide suggests...
> 
> Autodesk is *owned* by Adobe....

what?  WHAAATTT??!

seriously, never heard of that before... :O

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nemesis escreveu:
> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:51:23 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>>
>>> Autodesk is the Adobe of 3D software:  AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Maya and now
>>> they also assimilated XSI, much to the dismay of its users as the crying
>>> in many forums worldwide suggests...
>>
>> Autodesk is *owned* by Adobe....
> 
> what?  WHAAATTT??!
> 
> seriously, never heard of that before... :O

oh, I see, you're actually saying Adobe PWNS Autodesk, right? ;)

May be, many more photoshop users than 3D heads out there...

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:09:07 -0200, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:51:23 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>> 
>>> Autodesk is the Adobe of 3D software:  AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Maya and now
>>> they also assimilated XSI, much to the dismay of its users as the
>>> crying in many forums worldwide suggests...
>> 
>> Autodesk is *owned* by Adobe....
> 
> what?  WHAAATTT??!
> 
> seriously, never heard of that before... :O

And I have faulty memory.  I could've sworn I heard that Adobe had 
acquired Autodesk, but it seems I was mistaken.

Still, I'll bet you're awake now. ;-)

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>   Why do you think MS is so hated and eg. Apple isn't? Because Apple doesn't
> use so many glaringly dubious attack tactics and get the hatred of every
> living being on Earth.

No, I guess it's because of an instinct in man: When on the aggressive side of
the warpath, you pick *one* opponent to fight at a time, and quite perfectly
forget about the others (unless one of them poses an immediate threat), until
you have either won over him or he has escaped to safety.

And of course, the one you will pick first (and team up against with your clan)
is the biggest and most powerful of them all. If you manage to win over him, it
may be enough to impress his kin so much that they will all just surrender, and
your clan will rule the universe.

Doesn't have to be the meanest of them all. Just the most impressive and
powerful of them.

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Jim Henderson escreveu:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:09:07 -0200, nemesis wrote:
> 
>> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:51:23 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Autodesk is the Adobe of 3D software:  AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Maya and now
>>>> they also assimilated XSI, much to the dismay of its users as the
>>>> crying in many forums worldwide suggests...
>>> Autodesk is *owned* by Adobe....
>> what?  WHAAATTT??!
>>
>> seriously, never heard of that before... :O
> 
> And I have faulty memory.  I could've sworn I heard that Adobe had 
> acquired Autodesk, but it seems I was mistaken.
> 
> Still, I'll bet you're awake now. ;-)

hah!  I was awake and the coffee almost spilled through my nose when I 
read that! :P

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:12:33 -0200, nemesis wrote:

> nemesis escreveu:
>> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:51:23 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Autodesk is the Adobe of 3D software:  AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Maya and now
>>>> they also assimilated XSI, much to the dismay of its users as the
>>>> crying in many forums worldwide suggests...
>>>
>>> Autodesk is *owned* by Adobe....
>> 
>> what?  WHAAATTT??!
>> 
>> seriously, never heard of that before... :O
> 
> oh, I see, you're actually saying Adobe PWNS Autodesk, right? ;)

Yeaaaah, yeah, that's what I meant. ;-)

> May be, many more photoshop users than 3D heads out there...

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nemesis escreveu:
> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:09:07 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:51:23 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Autodesk is the Adobe of 3D software:  AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Maya and now
>>>>> they also assimilated XSI, much to the dismay of its users as the
>>>>> crying in many forums worldwide suggests...
>>>> Autodesk is *owned* by Adobe....
>>> what?  WHAAATTT??!
>>>
>>> seriously, never heard of that before... :O
>>
>> And I have faulty memory.  I could've sworn I heard that Adobe had 
>> acquired Autodesk, but it seems I was mistaken.
>>
>> Still, I'll bet you're awake now. ;-)
> 
> hah!  I was awake and the coffee almost spilled through my nose when I 
> read that! :P

cause that would be like some superhypermegamonopoly... not that the 2 
beasts are away from it in their respective markets... :P

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:16:40 -0200, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:09:07 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>> 
>>> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:51:23 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Autodesk is the Adobe of 3D software:  AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Maya and now
>>>>> they also assimilated XSI, much to the dismay of its users as the
>>>>> crying in many forums worldwide suggests...
>>>> Autodesk is *owned* by Adobe....
>>> what?  WHAAATTT??!
>>>
>>> seriously, never heard of that before... :O
>> 
>> And I have faulty memory.  I could've sworn I heard that Adobe had
>> acquired Autodesk, but it seems I was mistaken.
>> 
>> Still, I'll bet you're awake now. ;-)
> 
> hah!  I was awake and the coffee almost spilled through my nose when I
> read that! :P

LOL, I know what I was thinking about now, I was thinking about 
Autodesk's acquisition of Maya3D and that - for some reason - conflated 
itself into Adobe acquiring Autodesk.

Maybe I'm *not* awake enough yet. ;-)

Jim

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