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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Language
Date: 19 Jan 2009 10:29:20
Message: <49749c50$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

>> PS. I'd still really like to know how large a typical person's 
>> vocabulary is. Is it 1,000 words? Or 1,000,000 words?
> 
> http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/howmany.htm

Already seen it. (Why do you think I picked that example?) I'm still 
wondering just how large a typical vocabulary is. I'm guessing tens of 
thousands of words, roughly.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Language
Date: 19 Jan 2009 10:34:41
Message: <49749d91$1@news.povray.org>
> Already seen it. (Why do you think I picked that example?) I'm still 
> wondering just how large a typical vocabulary is. I'm guessing tens of 
> thousands of words, roughly.

Try writing out every word you know :-)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Language
Date: 19 Jan 2009 10:37:06
Message: <49749e22$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> Try writing out every word you know :-)

I did this once. In fact, just nouns. You know what? I know a crapload 
of words!! o_O

If you sit down and actually try to record every single iota of 
information in your brain, it's really quite surprising how much is in 
there. I don't think people realise this...


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Language
Date: 19 Jan 2009 10:45:48
Message: <4974a02c$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:

> If you sit down and actually try to record every single iota of 
> information in your brain, it's really quite surprising how much is in 
> there. I don't think people realise this...

The compression is lossy, and highly efficient. :)

-- 
~Mike


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Language
Date: 19 Jan 2009 10:47:55
Message: <4974a0ab@news.povray.org>
>> If you sit down and actually try to record every single iota of 
>> information in your brain, it's really quite surprising how much is in 
>> there. I don't think people realise this...
> 
> The compression is lossy, and highly efficient. :)

"I wanted to see what would happen if I downloaded the entire star chart 
into your brain."

"And what happened?"

"It leaked."

So, who knows which movie I'm quoting? (THEN we shall see how lossy the 
compression is!)

As an aside... some humans are able to memorise quite absurd amounts of 
data. So I don't think the compression is that lossy. :-P


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Language
Date: 19 Jan 2009 12:38:22
Message: <4974ba8e@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Already seen it. (Why do you think I picked that example?) I'm still 
> wondering just how large a typical vocabulary is. I'm guessing tens of 
> thousands of words, roughly.

Probably.

An easier measure is "how many different words show up in a large newspaper 
over the course of a year". The answer there, I've heard, is around 
8000-10000 words.

Counting words in a dictionary seems the wrong way to go.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Language
Date: 19 Jan 2009 14:08:47
Message: <4974cfbf$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Already seen it. (Why do you think I picked that example?) I'm still 
>> wondering just how large a typical vocabulary is. I'm guessing tens of 
>> thousands of words, roughly.
> 
> Probably.
> 
> An easier measure is "how many different words show up in a large 
> newspaper over the course of a year". The answer there, I've heard, is 
> around 8000-10000 words.
> 
> Counting words in a dictionary seems the wrong way to go.

I did do an experiment where I picked a random page from the dictionary 
and read the first word off it. It took a *loooong* time before I came 
across a word I didn't already clearly recognise.

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Language
Date: 19 Jan 2009 16:40:05
Message: <4974f335$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> "I wanted to see what would happen if I downloaded the entire star chart 
> into your brain."
> 
> "And what happened?"
> 
> "It leaked."
> 
> So, who knows which movie I'm quoting? (THEN we shall see how lossy the 
> compression is!)

"I don't leak, Navigator. *You* leak, remember?"

> As an aside... some humans are able to memorise quite absurd amounts of 
> data. So I don't think the compression is that lossy. :-P

My mental movie quote database is definitely not lossy!


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Language
Date: 19 Jan 2009 16:43:01
Message: <4974f3e5@news.povray.org>
> Invisible wrote:
>> So, who knows which movie I'm quoting? (THEN we shall see how lossy 
>> the compression is!)

Bill Pragnell wrote:
> "I don't leak, Navigator. *You* leak, remember?"
> 
> My mental movie quote database is definitely not lossy!

QED.

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Language
Date: 19 Jan 2009 17:17:08
Message: <4974FC4C.8060501@hotmail.com>
On 19-Jan-09 16:37, Invisible wrote:
> scott wrote:
> 
>> Try writing out every word you know :-)
> 
> I did this once. In fact, just nouns. You know what? I know a crapload 
> of words!! o_O
> 
> If you sit down and actually try to record every single iota of 
> information in your brain, it's really quite surprising how much is in 
> there. I don't think people realise this...
Sometimes I hear a piece of music that I haven't heard in a long time 
but had it e.g. on a cassette tape once. I still know every tick and 
speck of noise and what it faded into. When hearing a new arrangement of 
a familiar song I usually get it after a few lines and then remember 
often what line comes next. So for hundreds if not thousands of songs I 
both remember the instrumentation and errors, implying that I have at 
least a 'fourier transform' recorded and I have also stored the meaning, 
which is IIRC in a totally different place in the brain. Oh and I also 
do remember the video clip when hearing just the song.


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