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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Have a laugh!
Date: 12 Dec 2008 15:11:25
Message: <4942c56d$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Here's a little something a wrote. I'm sure you'll enjoy pointing out 
> all the simplifications, factual inaccuracies and incorrect use of 
> terminology.

It's very nice. There's nothing wrong with simplifications for explaining 
this stuff to people who don't already know it.

As Warp said, there are a few misspellings, but you know that. (I spelled 
poorly for many years, until I started looking up every word I wasn't sure 
of every time, and the hard ones started to sink in. :-) There are also a 
few correctly-spelled words that are just the wrong choice of word. (E.g., 
Insert sort: "One of the lowest sorts.")

In the "linked list", I'd not use the term pointer. I'd say "each slot 
stores the number of the next slot to check" or something. "Pointer" isn't 
something everyday people are comfortable with. (You could say "Computer 
programmers call these numbers 'pointers', so we'll use that term below.) 
But you probably want another paragraph explaining what pointers are, in 
terms of "numbers that tell you where to look next inside the memory" or 
some such.

And it's not a trail of breadcrumbs, but a "string leading to the next 
invoice" or something. Breadcrumbs only take you backwards to where you came 
from.

Typo: "We'll see what that might be useful later." (You mean "We'll see how...")

Under "Deletions", it's not quite true that moving all the elements of an 
unsorted list is as bad as moving the elements of a sorted list. You can 
take the last element off the end of the unsorted list and stick it in where 
you deleted the other element. Quite the inverse of adding an element.

For bucket sort, you might want to give an example like sorting playing 
cards, where you might split the deck into four suits and sort each suit 
separately before putting them back together.  Just a thought...

You need a conclusion section. A couple of paragraphs that summarizes what 
you just spoke about. Otherwise it's like ending a murder mystery with the 
detective revealing who dun it.

Your margins are somewhat wider than they really need to be, unless you're 
publishing for a particular journal or something.


Overall, highly impressive for a layman's introduction. Seriously, you write 
very well: Entertaining plus informative. Very well done.  Out of curiosity, 
how long did it take you to put this together?  I mean, once you decided to 
write it, how long did it take in terms of your hours spent?


-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
   see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.


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From: Gail
Subject: Re: Have a laugh!
Date: 12 Dec 2008 15:38:50
Message: <4942cbda@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:49426036$1@news.povray.org...
> Warp wrote:
>
>>   The spelling mistakes don't help either. You should fix at least those.
>
> For sure.
>
> Hmm, you might know the answer to this one... Is there any tool that can 
> spell-check LaTeX source files? (Without constantly complaining that, 
> e.g., "\maketitle" isn't a valid word.)

On Windows, try LEd (LaTeXEditor). It's what I've used for all of my 
university work, and it's good (and free)

It does spell checking as you type (highlighting misspelt works with the red 
squiggle, same as Word) or you can run spellchecker separatly.

http://www.latexeditor.org/


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Have a laugh!
Date: 12 Dec 2008 15:56:05
Message: <4942cfe5$1@news.povray.org>
Gail wrote:

> On Windows, try LEd (LaTeXEditor). It's what I've used for all of my 
> university work, and it's good (and free)
> 
> It does spell checking as you type (highlighting misspelt works with the 
> red squiggle, same as Word) or you can run spellchecker separatly.
> 
> http://www.latexeditor.org/

Thanks Gail!

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Have a laugh!
Date: 12 Dec 2008 16:12:41
Message: <4942d3c9$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:

> It's very nice.

Why thank you. :-)

> There's nothing wrong with simplifications for 
> explaining this stuff to people who don't already know it.

Heh. Some people are all like "hey, strictly speaking a 'byte' isn't 
always 8 bits!" I mean, LIKE IT MATTERS HERE! Think of your audience, 
people. It's not like anybody reading this thing is going to design and 
build their own computed based soley on my writings. Sheesh...

> As Warp said, there are a few misspellings, but you know that. (I 
> spelled poorly for many years, until I started looking up every word I 
> wasn't sure of every time, and the hard ones started to sink in. :-)

If I had a way to check these [easily] it would probably help a lot...

> There are also a few correctly-spelled words that are just the wrong 
> choice of word. (E.g., Insert sort: "One of the lowest sorts.")

That's not even a spelling mistake; I merely didn't hit the S-key hard 
enough. ;-)

> In the "linked list", I'd not use the term pointer.

The term seems fairly natural to me. But then, I've been using it for 
well over a decade. Maybe I'll just expand on it a little. (Diagrams 
would *really* help here!)

> Typo: "We'll see what that might be useful later." (You mean "We'll see 
> how...")

Yeah. When you type lots of stuff, it's surprisingly easy to substitute 
high-frequency words such as "how", "what", "when", "that", etc. 
Sometimes it results in sentences that clearly don't make sense...

> Under "Deletions", it's not quite true that moving all the elements of 
> an unsorted list is as bad as moving the elements of a sorted list. You 
> can take the last element off the end of the unsorted list and stick it 
> in where you deleted the other element. Quite the inverse of adding an 
> element.

Ooo... I never actually thought of that!

> For bucket sort, you might want to give an example like sorting playing 
> cards, where you might split the deck into four suits and sort each suit 
> separately before putting them back together.  Just a thought...

Yes, probably.

> You need a conclusion section. A couple of paragraphs that summarizes 
> what you just spoke about. Otherwise it's like ending a murder mystery 
> with the detective revealing who dun it.

Yeah, it does feel like it says a whole crapload of stuff, and then 
just... ends. I'm not really sure what a sensible ending would be though.

> Your margins are somewhat wider than they really need to be, unless 
> you're publishing for a particular journal or something.

Those are LaTeX defaults. If you print it out on paper and bind one edge 
together, it looks about right. (Most of the margin ends up in the 
fold.) It's also tuned so that the lines of text are narrow enough that 
you can easily scan from the end of one line to the beginning of the 
next; the wider the lines, the harder this is. (Go find some random 
website with lots of text, taking up the full width of your monitor. It 
can actually be quite difficult to figure out which line you've just 
read because of the visual distance.)

But yeah, I suppose it does look a little strange. I don't plan on 
fiddling with TeX's defaults to change it though.

> Overall, highly impressive for a layman's introduction. Seriously, you 
> write very well: Entertaining plus informative. Very well done.

Thank you. If more people said stuff like this to me, I'd probably write 
a lot more often. But typically, I spend ages writing stuff and nobody 
ever even reads it, and I just feel like "meh, why am I bothering?"

I consider myself to be very *good* at explaining stuff in simple terms. 
As I've said, the key is figuring out what's important and what isn't. 
My whole document doesn't say *anything* about cache coherancy. I just 
said "quicksort should theoretically be as fast as mergesort, but ON A 
COMPUTER it actually tends to be slightly faster". No need to go into 
technical details about why.

When I'm bored, I often sit by myself and have imaginary conversations 
with nonexistant people, tellin them all about... any stuff I know 
about, really. Maybe I'll summon up a caveman and try to explain to him 
how supply and demand affects the price of goods. Or perhaps I'll find a 
1960s electrical engineer and tell him about the superior noise 
rejection characteristics of digital electronics. Or maybe I'll chatter 
with some long-dead mathematician about chaos theory and fractal 
geometry... It depends on my mood.

Come to think of it, as long as I can remember, ever since I was a very 
small child, I've *always* talked to imaginary people.

...shit, I should probably have had *FREINDS* instead! o_O



Oh...kay...well leaving that aside, I wonder if maybe a good way of 
structuring a book would be to just record myself nattering out loud, 
and write a transcript afterwards? :-D

> Out of 
> curiosity, how long did it take you to put this together?  I mean, once 
> you decided to write it, how long did it take in terms of your hours spent?

I spent about 3 hours writing it on Wednesday. Today I corrected a 
handful of typos, and added the final few paragraphs. I can't have spent 
more than an hour doing that.

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Have a laugh!
Date: 12 Dec 2008 20:13:57
Message: <49430c55$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Heh. Some people are all like "hey, strictly speaking a 'byte' isn't 
> always 8 bits!" I mean, LIKE IT MATTERS HERE! Think of your audience, 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie-to-children

> If I had a way to check these [easily] it would probably help a lot...

Google:
   define:plover

>> There are also a few correctly-spelled words that are just the wrong 
>> choice of word. (E.g., Insert sort: "One of the lowest sorts.")
> 
> That's not even a spelling mistake; I merely didn't hit the S-key hard 
> enough. ;-)

Yes. But the spell checker wouldn't catch it, is my point.

>> In the "linked list", I'd not use the term pointer.
> 
> The term seems fairly natural to me. But then, I've been using it for 
> well over a decade. Maybe I'll just expand on it a little. (Diagrams 
> would *really* help here!)

Yeah. Explain what a pointer is, like an address on the side of a mailbox 
being referenced by the address on an envelope or something.

>> Typo: "We'll see what that might be useful later." (You mean "We'll 
>> see how...")
> 
> Yeah. When you type lots of stuff, it's surprisingly easy to substitute 
> high-frequency words such as "how", "what", "when", "that", etc. 
> Sometimes it results in sentences that clearly don't make sense...

Yes. I'm just helping you fix them, you see. :-)

> Ooo... I never actually thought of that!

It's surprisingly non-obvious, for some reason. Probably because you'd never 
do this with physical objects.

> Yeah, it does feel like it says a whole crapload of stuff, and then 
> just... ends. I'm not really sure what a sensible ending would be though.

"""
So, as you can see, even though computers are very fast, the quantities of 
information they deal with are also vast. To access information in memory or 
on a disk sometimes requires special techniques in order to be fast enough. 
This paper has introduced you to some of those techniques.
"""

Just something like that. The abstract, written backwards.

> But yeah, I suppose it does look a little strange. I don't plan on 
> fiddling with TeX's defaults to change it though.

Your call, of course. It's just bothersome to read on screen that way, 
without zooming into the middle third of the paper.

> I consider myself to be very *good* at explaining stuff in simple terms. 
> As I've said, the key is figuring out what's important and what isn't. 

It shows, yes.

> When I'm bored, I often sit by myself and have imaginary conversations 
> with nonexistant people, tellin them all about... any stuff I know 
> about, really. 

Heh. You too? I usually don't get to cavemen, but other ideas.

> Come to think of it, as long as I can remember, ever since I was a very 
> small child, I've *always* talked to imaginary people.
> 
> ...shit, I should probably have had *FREINDS* instead! o_O

Go to church. Then you can talk to imaginary people *and* meet friends.

> I spent about 3 hours writing it on Wednesday. Today I corrected a 
> handful of typos, and added the final few paragraphs. I can't have spent 
> more than an hour doing that.

That's very impressive. Understand that 95% of the population couldn't write 
something this good about something they know well, let alone doing it in 
one or two sittings.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
   see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Have a laugh!
Date: 13 Dec 2008 05:03:34
Message: <49438876$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:

>> If I had a way to check these [easily] it would probably help a lot...
> 
> Google:
>   define:plover

Still doesn't help unless you *recognise* which words need correcting. ;-)

>> That's not even a spelling mistake; I merely didn't hit the S-key hard 
>> enough. ;-)
> 
> Yes. But the spell checker wouldn't catch it, is my point.

Oh, sure, there are all mannar of spelling and grammatical errors which 
no machine will ever pick up on. This is why we have proof-reading. ;-) 
But given how hopeless I am at spelling, and automated spell-checker 
would be rather useful.

>> Ooo... I never actually thought of that!
> 
> It's surprisingly non-obvious, for some reason. Probably because you'd 
> never do this with physical objects.

Yeah, I geuss so. Or because, you know, in reality you'd use a BST. ;-)

>> Yeah, it does feel like it says a whole crapload of stuff, and then 
>> just... ends. I'm not really sure what a sensible ending would be though.
> 
> """
> So, as you can see, even though computers are very fast, the quantities 
> of information they deal with are also vast. To access information in 
> memory or on a disk sometimes requires special techniques in order to be 
> fast enough. This paper has introduced you to some of those techniques.
> """
> 
> Just something like that. The abstract, written backwards.

Mmm, OK.

>> But yeah, I suppose it does look a little strange. I don't plan on 
>> fiddling with TeX's defaults to change it though.
> 
> Your call, of course. It's just bothersome to read on screen that way, 
> without zooming into the middle third of the paper.

Yeah, it really *is* designed for paper, not screen...

(This is why I use Indoculate. It will generate LaTeX or HTML without 
much effort.)

>> I consider myself to be very *good* at explaining stuff in simple 
>> terms. As I've said, the key is figuring out what's important and what 
>> isn't. 
> 
> It shows, yes.

Yay! Encouragement! :-D

>> When I'm bored, I often sit by myself and have imaginary conversations 
>> with nonexistant people, tellin them all about... any stuff I know 
>> about, really. 
> 
> Heh. You too? I usually don't get to cavemen, but other ideas.

There's a story behind the three cavemen... which... I probably 
shouldn't go into... o_O

> Go to church. Then you can talk to imaginary people *and* meet friends.

Hahahahaha!

Religion, you have been PWN3D.

>> I spent about 3 hours writing it on Wednesday. Today I corrected a 
>> handful of typos, and added the final few paragraphs. I can't have 
>> spent more than an hour doing that.
> 
> That's very impressive. Understand that 95% of the population couldn't 
> write something this good about something they know well, let alone 
> doing it in one or two sittings.

You're seriously telling me I'm in the 95th percentile of the entire 
population in writing skills?

Even though I manifestly can't spell?

I didn't think I was *that* good... but then I guess I don't have 
anything to objectively compare to.

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Have a laugh!
Date: 13 Dec 2008 13:13:47
Message: <4943fb5b$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Still doesn't help unless you *recognise* which words need correcting. ;-)

That's what I said. Anything you're not 100% sure is right, you look up 
until you are.

> Yeah, I geuss so. Or because, you know, in reality you'd use a BST. ;-)

That too. I can't remember the last time I implemented my own hash table or 
sort.

> You're seriously telling me I'm in the 95th percentile of the entire 
> population in writing skills?

I suspect that's correct, yes.

> Even though I manifestly can't spell?

Spelling is technique. It's like leaving the semicolon off the end of a 
statement in a programming language.

> I didn't think I was *that* good... but then I guess I don't have 
> anything to objectively compare to.

Trust me. Unless you have actual scientists there (i.e., folks who try to 
publish papers in journals rather than filling out forms that are the 
results of lab tests), you're probably the best writer in your company, 
would be my guess.

Go to one of the marketing people and ask them to spend 20 minutes to write 
a one-page document on exactly what your company does for a living. :-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
   see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.


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From: Michael Zier
Subject: Re: Have a laugh!
Date: 15 Dec 2008 02:13:40
Message: <494603a4$1@news.povray.org>
Am Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:11:10 +0000 schrieb Invisible:

>> Are there not any IDEs specifically for Latex that will flag up
>> spelling errors in-place?
> 
> Yes: Vim, Ecams, LyX, and any mannar of other Unix-based tools. :-P
> 
Have a look at TeXnicCenter, I'm strongly recommending it! Go for it now!


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Have a laugh!
Date: 15 Dec 2008 04:37:54
Message: <49462572$1@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> "The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody
> appreciates how difficult it was."

I'll have to remember that one...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Have a laugh!
Date: 5 Jan 2009 08:33:21
Message: <49620c21$1@news.povray.org>
Gail wrote:
> On Windows, try LEd (LaTeXEditor). It's what I've used for all of my 
> university work, and it's good (and free)
> 
> It does spell checking as you type (highlighting misspelt works with the 
> red squiggle, same as Word) or you can run spellchecker separatly.
> 
> http://www.latexeditor.org/

I tried this yesterday. Seems to work just fine, and no need to 
"install" anything; just unzip and go. (Just the way I like it...)

Great shout. Thanks Gail!


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