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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: infested computers - how does it happen?
Date: 6 Dec 2008 23:55:54
Message: <493b575a@news.povray.org>
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Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Warp wrote:
>>> Also, if the mahjong program was created with a GC'd language, the GC
>>> might completely nullify the benefit of swapping.
>>
>> Only if the GC actually runs.
>
> I think Warp might mean that the program might tend to hold onto data
> longer than it really needs to, in the event the GC doesn't run. Since a
> GC sweep by an otherwise mostly-idle program would only bring stuff into
> core once, so it wouldn't nullify the benefits of swapping it out.
>
> However, many GCed languages will take messages like iconification and
> priority lowerings and do a GC before going quiescent. In this case, you
> might even get better behavior than in a language where you can't compress
> used memory because people are holding raw pointers.
>
> Windows already trims your working set and swaps much of your program out
> if you're idle and the window gets iconified, as well.
Oh come on, don't start yet another pro-GC flamewar.
(just today I had the pleasure of reading the old thread "the POV-ray
SDL--similar to Java and/or Python?" in p.advanced-users)
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Oh come on, don't start yet another pro-GC flamewar.
Honestly, I think I'm flamed out. :-) It wasn't a flamewar. It was a lively
discussion. :-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > Also, if the mahjong program was created with a GC'd language, the GC
> > might completely nullify the benefit of swapping.
> Only if the GC actually runs.
> If the program isn't "doing anything", it shouldn't need to run the GC
> either. Typically the GC is set to run only when no more objects can be
> allocated. (Altough sometimes they're set to run when idle as well...)
But as commented in other posts, the program may well be doing things
from time to time, such as updating animations or whatever.
--
- Warp
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Raiford [mailto:"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com]
> Heh. They still make 56k Modems??!
What do you think people use when there's no Cable or DSL service in a
particular area?
Although it seems to me that it's a bad idea to target a consumer group
that is actively dwindling.
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Raiford [mailto:"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com]
> to was hosting malicious "ad banners" Suddenly an installer popped up
> for an imitation anti-spyware program (Windows anti-spyware, it was
> similarly named to what Windows Defender used to be). I clicked
cancel,
> and it proceeded to install itself, even though I clicked cancel.
For the record, I've seen malware which switches the labels on the "OK"
and "Cancel" buttons, so it installs itself when you click on "Cancel".
This is one case where the Vista UAC comes in handy... I'm at the point
where I click through when I'm expecting it, but if it ever pops up when
I'm not expecting it I get *real* careful about what's running.
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com
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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: infested computers - how does it happen?
Date: 8 Dec 2008 10:22:50
Message: <493d3bca@news.povray.org>
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Chambers wrote:
> What do you think people use when there's no Cable or DSL service in a
> particular area?
Satellite or mobile? ;)
> Although it seems to me that it's a bad idea to target a consumer group
> that is actively dwindling.
Yup.
--
~Mike
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Chambers wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Raiford [mailto:"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com]
>> Heh. They still make 56k Modems??!
>
> What do you think people use when there's no Cable or DSL service in a
> particular area?
My guess? Not a quad-core 3GHz 6GigRam machine? :-)
I'm not surprised the modems are still made. I'm surprised they're still
standard equipment even when not on the motherboard. If most people wanted
them, they'd still be on the motherboards, I expect.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.
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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: infested computers - how does it happen?
Date: 8 Dec 2008 15:46:35
Message: <493d87ab@news.povray.org>
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Darren New wrote:
> I'm not surprised the modems are still made. I'm surprised they're still
> standard equipment even when not on the motherboard. If most people
> wanted them, they'd still be on the motherboards, I expect.
What amuses me is how every motherboard you can possibly buy comes with
an on-board 350-channel ultra-hyper-surround-sound card built-in. I
mean, as *if* you'd actually wire that up... :-P
(I wonder how many people think you have to connect a PC to special "PC
speakers"?)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> What amuses me is how every motherboard you can possibly buy comes with
> an on-board 350-channel ultra-hyper-surround-sound card built-in. I
> mean, as *if* you'd actually wire that up... :-P
>
If it really is ultra-hyper-sound it will also be quality sound and
therefore I could use one. Wiring up is easy, just plug one fiber-cable
in and let the music play.
> (I wonder how many people think you have to connect a PC to special "PC
> speakers"?)
Thanks for that mental image :/.
-Aero
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> (I wonder how many people think you have to connect a PC to special "PC
> speakers"?)
Errr, you do. A "PC speaker" is one with an amplifier built in.
And yes, I use the high-def audio on my computers. One of them is running my
stereo/TV/etc, so that's a no-brainer.
Amusingly enough, we struggled to hear the audio at work that people had
phoned in. Pressing the speakers up against your ears trying to hear, and
all that. Then, when we closed the office, and I was taking apart the
machines, it was all "Oh gee, there's a USB connector on the speakers, and
that's for *power*, not for machines that only have USB speakers." Pretty
amusing all around.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.
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