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On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:51:02 -0600, Mike Raiford <"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com>
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>Stephen wrote:
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>> I always do Ctrl + W or click the "close" X
>> Some popup have two install buttons called Install and Cancel :)
>
>Try that with the window that just won't close. Oh, I know, just kill
>the process in Task Manager ;)
>
>Yeah... stupid me, trusting the "Cancel" button actually did what it said.
Call me cynical, but that's what I'd do if I wanted to do something bad.
--
Regards
Stephen
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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: infested computers - how does it happen?
Date: 5 Dec 2008 16:44:27
Message: <4939a0bb@news.povray.org>
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Stephen wrote:
> Call me cynical, but that's what I'd do if I wanted to do something bad.
Right, or if you wanted to guarantee your garbage software would get
installed, and you get the money from the spamware it also installed. So
people will do anything to get more cash.
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~Mike
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:42:42 -0600, Mike Raiford <"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Stephen wrote:
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>> Call me cynical, but that's what I'd do if I wanted to do something bad.
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>Right, or if you wanted to guarantee your garbage software would get
>installed, and you get the money from the spamware it also installed. So
>people will do anything to get more cash.
So I believe. Some people will even vote (your least favourite political party
here) ;)
Some people are scum.
--
Regards
Stephen
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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: infested computers - how does it happen?
Date: 5 Dec 2008 17:23:35
Message: <4939a9e7@news.povray.org>
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Invisible wrote:
> 1. Why would having unused programs running make the computer slow?
> Surely mahjong doesn't consume any CPU time if it isn't "doing"
> anything...?
Hahahaha.
It's a *game*. Many use 100% CPU no matter what you're doing or how fast
your computer is.
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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: infested computers - how does it happen?
Date: 5 Dec 2008 17:24:44
Message: <4939aa2b@news.povray.org>
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Tim Cook wrote:
> "Warp" <war### [at] tag povrayorg> wrote:
>> Given that linux is not something you simply "download and run" in
>> Windows,
>
> With the new Ubuntu, it kind of is. >:3
Wubi has existed for quite a while.
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> 1. Why would having unused programs running make the computer slow?
>> Surely mahjong doesn't consume any CPU time if it isn't "doing"
>> anything...?
>
> Hahahaha.
>
> It's a *game*. Many use 100% CPU no matter what you're doing or how fast
> your computer is.
True. So does Access 97, BTW...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I notice, however, that all these devices seem to have a "minimum price"
> that they never fall below. E.g., it is *impossible* to buy a harddrive
Well, it makes sense: At some point it costs more to produce the device
than its selling value is, it doesn't make any sense to produce it anymore.
--
- Warp
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Mike Raiford <"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com> wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
> > Right. And the virtual memory system will swap that out to disk since it
> > isn't being used. And, unless the program tries to "do" something, it
> > will never be swapped back in again. Should have no impact on anything.
> Just because the application is minimized doesn't necessarily mean it's
> doing nothing. Every windows program has a window loop. Messages about
> system status and the like are broadcast to all windows in the system
> occasionally.
Also, if the mahjong program was created with a GC'd language, the GC
might completely nullify the benefit of swapping.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> Also, if the mahjong program was created with a GC'd language, the GC
> might completely nullify the benefit of swapping.
Only if the GC actually runs.
If the program isn't "doing anything", it shouldn't need to run the GC
either. Typically the GC is set to run only when no more objects can be
allocated. (Altough sometimes they're set to run when idle as well...)
Of course, if the GC doesn't work properly...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: infested computers - how does it happen?
Date: 6 Dec 2008 20:14:02
Message: <493b235a@news.povray.org>
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Warp wrote:
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>> Also, if the mahjong program was created with a GC'd language, the GC
>> might completely nullify the benefit of swapping.
>
> Only if the GC actually runs.
I think Warp might mean that the program might tend to hold onto data longer
than it really needs to, in the event the GC doesn't run. Since a GC sweep
by an otherwise mostly-idle program would only bring stuff into core once,
so it wouldn't nullify the benefits of swapping it out.
However, many GCed languages will take messages like iconification and
priority lowerings and do a GC before going quiescent. In this case, you
might even get better behavior than in a language where you can't compress
used memory because people are holding raw pointers.
Windows already trims your working set and swaps much of your program out if
you're idle and the window gets iconified, as well.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.
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