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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: A hypothesis
Date: 28 Nov 2008 13:32:34
Message: <49303942$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible escreveu:
> Maybe interacting with humans is like that? Maybe you can only 
> understand it once you experience it for yourself. Maybe it's not 
> possible to "explain" it with words. Perhaps you can only learn by 
> *doing* this stuff for real, and having somebody *show* you rather than 
> just *tell* you.

Yes.  The salsa example is perfect:  you can't rationalize about salsa 
while you're in the middle of it, you'll get it wrong.  Don't think too 
much about it -- and I know it's hard for us geeks -- and you'll do 
fine.  It's like walking too:  you don't go thinking about rising your 
foot, moving it forward, keeping balance etc.

Just get near someone and go like:  "Hey, nice shirt!" or "Some weather, 
huh?" or "What did you have for lunch today?" and "Whew!  The world has 
gone bonkers" or any other familiar nonsense.  The rest should come out 
naturally.  Just don't think too much about it, go chaining the words in 
the replies with new ideas and, presto!, some random conversation is 
built.  I find it a good algorithm. ;)


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: A hypothesis
Date: 28 Nov 2008 15:35:43
Message: <4930561f@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:492fe8f7$1@news.povray.org...

> Inumerable people have given me advice on how to socialise.

There's an irony here somewhere.


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: A hypothesis
Date: 28 Nov 2008 16:22:37
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>> Inumerable people have given me advice on how to socialise.
> 
> There's an irony here somewhere.

Hmm, you may have something there...

-- 
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: A hypothesis
Date: 1 Dec 2008 13:07:06
Message: <493427ca$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:49:57 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> Maybe interacting with humans is like that? Maybe you can only
> understand it once you experience it for yourself.

Practice makes perfect.

Jim


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: A hypothesis
Date: 1 Dec 2008 14:17:19
Message: <4934383f@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> Practice makes perfect.

Actually, it doesn't. It makes one to suck less.

> Jim

-Aero


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: A hypothesis
Date: 1 Dec 2008 18:33:07
Message: <49347433$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:17:15 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> 
>> Practice makes perfect.
> 
> Actually, it doesn't. It makes one to suck less.

Well, if I were to go totally geek on it, practice is an effort to reach 
a limit (mathematically) - so enough practice makes perfect, but it's 
only as x approaches infinity that you actually get there.

So I guess that's pretty much what you said. ;-)

Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: A hypothesis
Date: 2 Dec 2008 04:08:57
Message: <4934fb29@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:

> Well, if I were to go totally geek on it, practice is an effort to reach 
> a limit (mathematically) - so enough practice makes perfect, but it's 
> only as x approaches infinity that you actually get there.
> 
> So I guess that's pretty much what you said. ;-)

Well *actually*... practising DOING IT RIGHT makes perfect. If you end 
up practising it wrong (e.g., you practise your golf swing, but always 
get it wrong) it actually makes things worse.

Or so the scientists have concluded...


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: A hypothesis
Date: 2 Dec 2008 11:06:02
Message: <49355cea$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> 
> Well *actually*... practising DOING IT RIGHT makes perfect. 

No. There are still faults in it. It's practically impossible to take
care of every little thing that matters in it. Practicing can make to
The Best, but not The Perfect.

> If you end
> up practising it wrong (e.g., you practise your golf swing, but always
> get it wrong) it actually makes things worse.

True.

-Aero


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: A hypothesis
Date: 2 Dec 2008 11:09:35
Message: <49355dbf$1@news.povray.org>
Eero Ahonen wrote:

>> If you end
>> up practising it wrong (e.g., you practise your golf swing, but always
>> get it wrong) it actually makes things worse.
> 
> True.

Well, that was my main point anyway. ;-)


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: A hypothesis
Date: 2 Dec 2008 13:07:23
Message: <4935795b$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:08:56 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Well, if I were to go totally geek on it, practice is an effort to
>> reach a limit (mathematically) - so enough practice makes perfect, but
>> it's only as x approaches infinity that you actually get there.
>> 
>> So I guess that's pretty much what you said. ;-)
> 
> Well *actually*... practising DOING IT RIGHT makes perfect. If you end
> up practising it wrong (e.g., you practise your golf swing, but always
> get it wrong) it actually makes things worse.
> 
> Or so the scientists have concluded...

Well, yes, but the way to learn the right way to do it is to try 
different things.  Find what works for you and then practice that.

Jim


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