On 21-Nov-08 18:36, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> LOL! I suppose I could explain that it's a Turing-complete scene 
>>> description language for photorealistic image and animation 
>>> construction / scripting... that could sound impressive. ;-)
>>
>> If you apply for a job as a sysop in a shoefactory, it would be 
>> completely useless to mention. OTOH if it is in a group with a lot of 
>> creative people around like in IT-firms and universities anything that 
>> shows that you are special in any way would be a bonus point.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> I guess it depends on whether I think I can actually *find* one of the 
> "interesting jobs" which are rumoured to exist somewhere...

And you don't turn them down because they are not in your neighbourhood 
or because the companies name starts with 'C' or whatever reason you'll 
find not to apply.

>> In fact many things that would make me decide to hire you in stead of 
>> yet another freshly graduated student are not in your CV. Nor would 
>> you mention them in a job interview, because you don't think it is 
>> important.
> 
> Have you seen my updated CV?
> 
not yet. I am missing some posts as I was away a few days, so the amount 
is so large that I skipped a few.

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Here in the US, salary information is between you and your 
> employer

Really?  I'm not sure that's correct.  Certainly if you're looking to 
(for example) sell a small company, the buyer is going to want to know 
the salaries of the people he'll be taking on, yes?

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:15:38 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Here in the US, salary information is between you and your employer
> 
> Really?  I'm not sure that's correct.  Certainly if you're looking to
> (for example) sell a small company, the buyer is going to want to know
> the salaries of the people he'll be taking on, yes?

Perhaps in M/A land there are exceptions - or they know how many people 
they are and the aggregate salaries/payroll budget, but in M/As (as is my 
understanding) there are very specific times at which particular types of 
information can be disclosed.

The laws may also vary depending on where the companies are incorporated 
- if both are incorporated in the same state, then it may be down to 
state laws rather than federal laws.

Of course, IANAL, so I could be completely wrong on this - but I'm pretty 
sure there's a confidentiality clause about salary information.  Most 
companies strongly discourage employees from even talking about their 
salaries with their peers.

But my point is that I don't believe company A could call up the HR 
department at company B and say "John Doe has told us his salary is 
$74,000 a year - can you confirm this?" - for one thing, that could open 
John up to some sort of retribution from his current employer for looking 
for a new job - most US states are "at will", which means your employer 
can pretty much let you go for any reason - and even for no reason.  
Utah's like that - the worker protections in the US (if you're not in a 
union) are practically nonexistent unless you can prove racial/age/some 
other form of legally recognised discrimination.

Jim

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> companies strongly discourage employees from even talking about their 
> salaries with their peers.

Yeah, but that's not for the good of the employees. :-)

> But my point is that I don't believe company A could call up the HR 
> department at company B and say "John Doe has told us his salary is 
> $74,000 a year - can you confirm this?"

Used to be OK. I answered a number of calls like this in my first job. I 
wouldn't be surprised if laws passed since then, not the least of which 
were due to ...

> - for one thing, that could open John up to some sort of retribution from his
current employer for looking 
> for a new job 

Sure, and retribution against the employer for giving a bad 
recommendation or lying about the salary, which is more what I think 
caused the changes.

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:43:36 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> companies strongly discourage employees from even talking about their
>> salaries with their peers.
> 
> Yeah, but that's not for the good of the employees. :-)

True enough.

>> But my point is that I don't believe company A could call up the HR
>> department at company B and say "John Doe has told us his salary is
>> $74,000 a year - can you confirm this?"
> 
> Used to be OK. I answered a number of calls like this in my first job. I
> wouldn't be surprised if laws passed since then, not the least of which
> were due to ...

Interesting, maybe a CA thing?  I know things tend to be a bit more 
progressive there, especially compared to deep red McCain-land here in 
Utah.

>> - for one thing, that could open John up to some sort of retribution
>> from his current employer for looking for a new job
> 
> Sure, and retribution against the employer for giving a bad
> recommendation or lying about the salary, which is more what I think
> caused the changes.

I know where I'm work they have a policy specifically prohibiting 
professional job references.  I've provided a few personal references for 
long-time friends (and past coworkers), but it's a difficult line to walk 
sometimes because my personal and professional lives overlap so much.

Jim

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Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Here in the US, salary information is between you and your employer
> 
> Really?  I'm not sure that's correct.  Certainly if you're looking to
> (for example) sell a small company, the buyer is going to want to know
> the salaries of the people he'll be taking on, yes?
> 

In such case it could be possible to reveal totals (eg. 10 employees
making 450k$ expenses total) - it's still not necessary to reveal salary
of individual worker.

-Aero

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Interesting, maybe a CA thing? 

This was in the 70s on the east coast.

> I know where I'm work they have a policy specifically prohibiting 
> professional job references.  

I'm sure. I'm just not certain it's a law, rather than a CYA policy.

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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:48:23 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Interesting, maybe a CA thing?
> 
> This was in the 70s on the east coast.

Could be a sign of the times, too.

>> I know where I'm work they have a policy specifically prohibiting
>> professional job references.
> 
> I'm sure. I'm just not certain it's a law, rather than a CYA policy.

Could be either, would have to check and see....maybe my HR department 
could tell me. ;-)

Jim

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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:24:40 +0000, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>

>
>O RLY?

Well have you applied for it?
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Regards
     Stephen

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Stephen wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:24:40 +0000, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> 
>> Stephen wrote:
>>

>> O RLY?
> 
> Well have you applied for it?

Still improving my CV, remember?

Anyway, *if* I actually got the job, what makes you think I couldn't 


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