Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> ....Godel is self-referential?
>>>
>>> Rather famed for it. His proof, at least.
>>
>> Oh, right.
>>
>> I haven't seen it.
> 
> It's basically of writing "this theorem cannot be proven." If it's true, 
> you can't prove it. If it's false, you've proven something false.

So... it's the liar paradox?

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> So... it's the liar paradox?

In essence.

Really, I can't think of someone who is more likely to enjoy Godel 
Escher Bach than you are.

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Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> So... it's the liar paradox?
> 
> In essence.
> 
> Really, I can't think of someone who is more likely to enjoy Godel 
> Escher Bach than you are.

OK. Thanks to p.o-t I now have *two* items on my Christmas list... ;-)

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ipzR9bhei_o
>
> There seem to be more harmonies to it than what's on my sheet.

Hmm, perhaps some of them are for those pedals.  Organ is amazing, the guy has
to play with both hands and feet! :D

BTW, do you know what software is used to produce those graphics?  It's very
interesting to see the structure of music in time this way, something
traditional musical notation can't convey quite well...

> Counterpoint and harmony is something I have never been able to master.
> This saddens me greatly.

Hardly anyone gets it right.  But then, I just play the piano works, I have no
ambition nor talent of surpassing the old folks... if it's possible anyway.

> And Widor's Toccata *opens with* triple forte. It's a loud, bold, joyous
> piece of music. It cannot be played quietly. ;-)

I listened to it.  Truly magnificent.

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Sheet music:
http://www.mutopiaproject.org/

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Sheet music:
> http://www.mutopiaproject.org/

That's good, but the scores are created from scratch and some of them seem to
miss many musical figures like tr and pianissimo, staccato etc.

Here's the best I know of:
http://imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page

The International Music Score Library Project scans old quality musical scores
to PDF.  They have editions revised by Brahms, Busoni and such folk.  Truly
excellent.

There's also:
http://choralwiki.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

For those who love chorals.  Many Bach cantatas are available.

Whew, I think all this music chatting may be upsetting Warp... :P

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nemesis wrote:
> BTW, do you know what software is used to produce those graphics? 

The guy who makes the videos wrote the software himself afaik.

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> BTW, do you know what software is used to produce those graphics?
> 
> The guy who makes the videos wrote the software himself afaik.

Here you go:
http://www.musanim.com/player/

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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> > nemesis wrote:
> >> BTW, do you know what software is used to produce those graphics?
> >
> > The guy who makes the videos wrote the software himself afaik.
>
> Here you go:
> http://www.musanim.com/player/

Very nice!  Thanks, Sherlock! :)

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> So... it's the liar paradox?
>>
>> In essence.
>>
>> Really, I can't think of someone who is more likely to enjoy Godel 
>> Escher Bach than you are.
> 
> OK. Thanks to p.o-t I now have *two* items on my Christmas list... ;-)

...so now I own Godel, Escher, Bach. :-)

All I have to go now is read it...

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