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> Soon we will be in a situation where you really can't speak against
> your government (about certain issues) without being fined or jailed,
Happens in a lot of countries already regarding certain events during the
war - doesn't seem to affect anyone apart from the people wanting to cause
trouble for the sake of it. Is that a problem for you?
Hey, you can even cause massive disruption by protesting against your
government, yet they do nothing, no fine, no arrests, no attempt to even
stop the disruption. *That's* ludicrous IMO.
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>> IKWYM, but LimeWire popped up; BitTorrent is a transfer protocol, bit
>> different than Napster or Limewire....
What I meant was BitTorrent suddenly became hugely popular for sharing
pirated files, since people were unable to use Napster to share pirated
files.
> It's a damned PROTOCOL. It can't be
> illegal on its own. It's how you use it.
Hehe you could say the same with guns. Actually no, a much higher
proportion of people use guns for legal activity :-)
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>> Software pirate mentality is one of the worst things that really
>> grinds
>> my gears. People who pirate software and have this kind of attitude are
>> the worst moral scum on earth.
>
> Uh, no, I think you'll find that people who think it's appropriate to
> bomb innocent civilians are the worst moral scum on earth.
>
> Let's have some perspective, please.
Exactly. The worst consequences of pirating are companies going bankrupt,
there are many many crimes with far worse consequences. Even driving at
50mph in a 30mph limit past a school is worse IMO. Would you rather you
lost your job or your child?
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Blocking BitTorrent is really stupid. If someone sets a FTP server with lots
> of pirated material, they'll block FTP? It's a damned PROTOCOL. It can't be
> illegal on its own. It's how you use it.
I would hazard a guess that blocking BitTorrent is *infeasible* too.
It's not like it runs on a Well Known Port. It will run on any damned
port you like!
Personally, I use BitTorrent all the time - and AFAIK I've never used it
for anything illegal...
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scott wrote:
>> It's a damned PROTOCOL. It can't be
>> illegal on its own. It's how you use it.
>
> Hehe you could say the same with guns. Actually no, a much higher
> proportion of people use guns for legal activity :-)
Hmm not really... Guns were *made for* killing.
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Invisible wrote:
> I would hazard a guess that blocking BitTorrent is *infeasible* too.
> It's not like it runs on a Well Known Port. It will run on any damned
> port you like!
Some ISPs started blocking it or throttling speed by detecting the protocol.
So now many clients support encryption. Run it through port 443 and they
can't tell it apart from online banking :)
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scott <sco### [at] scott com> wrote:
> > Soon we will be in a situation where you really can't speak against
> > your government (about certain issues) without being fined or jailed,
> Happens in a lot of countries already regarding certain events during the
> war - doesn't seem to affect anyone apart from the people wanting to cause
> trouble for the sake of it. Is that a problem for you?
You demonstrate perfectly the kind of mentality. Limiting freedom of
speech is completely "acceptable" when the subject in question is taboo
enough.
People are already being fined in many western countries for expressing
their opinion *without* causing any trouble. It's getting worse by the day.
--
- Warp
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> I would hazard a guess that blocking BitTorrent is *infeasible* too.
>> It's not like it runs on a Well Known Port. It will run on any damned
>> port you like!
>
> Some ISPs started blocking it or throttling speed by detecting the protocol.
Now, see, if I paid money to access the Internet, and then my ISP tried
to prevent me accessing the Internet, I'd be... quite upset.
> So now many clients support encryption. Run it through port 443 and they
> can't tell it apart from online banking :)
...except for the massive quantity of data. :-P
Traffic analysis, anyone?
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Invisible wrote:
>> So now many clients support encryption. Run it through port 443 and they
>> can't tell it apart from online banking :)
>
> ...except for the massive quantity of data. :-P
>
> Traffic analysis, anyone?
Hmm, massive amounts of data encrypted and obscured are bound to raise a
few eyebrows.
--
~Mike
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>
>>> So now many clients support encryption. Run it through port 443 and they
>>> can't tell it apart from online banking :)
>>
>> ...except for the massive quantity of data. :-P
>>
>> Traffic analysis, anyone?
>
> Hmm, massive amounts of data encrypted and obscured are bound to raise a
> few eyebrows.
Indeed. A typical HTTPS session transaction is, what, 200 KB?
Transferring multiple GB of data in both directions might look
*slightly* suspicious...
Thinking about it, all an ISP *really* needs to do is block any network
transaction involving "large" amounts of data. That'll block any
concievably file-sharing technology, not just BitTorrent.
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