 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:07:47 -0500, Warp wrote:
> scott <sco### [at] scott com> wrote:
>> Well given that piracy is illegal, it seems a legitimate target for the
>> censors, but as with all these sort of schemes there will always be a
>> way around them and new ways of pirating software will pop up. Just
>> look what happened with Napster when it was shut down, up popped
>> bitTorrent. If suddenly they start censoring all sites that link to
>> torrents, then I'm 100% sure some new method will be invented that
>> makes it impossible to censor using the existing scheme. By the time a
>> new scheme is dreamt up to fight the pirates, another system will be in
>> place, it's endless.
>
> And western countries will become no better than China in their
> totalitarian censorship policies...
Oh, come on - I think there's a bit of a difference between "you can't
post material you don't have the rights to" and "you can't speak out
against your government without risking your life". Again, let's get
some perspective, please.
Jim
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Jim Henderson wrote:
> IKWYM, but LimeWire popped up; BitTorrent is a transfer protocol, bit
> different than Napster or Limewire....
Blocking BitTorrent is really stupid. If someone sets a FTP server with lots
of pirated material, they'll block FTP? It's a damned PROTOCOL. It can't be
illegal on its own. It's how you use it.
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:07:20 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> IKWYM, but LimeWire popped up; BitTorrent is a transfer protocol, bit
>> different than Napster or Limewire....
>
> Blocking BitTorrent is really stupid. If someone sets a FTP server with
> lots of pirated material, they'll block FTP? It's a damned PROTOCOL. It
> can't be illegal on its own. It's how you use it.
Yep, agreed.
Jim
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> Oh, come on - I think there's a bit of a difference between "you can't
> post material you don't have the rights to" and "you can't speak out
> against your government without risking your life". Again, let's get
> some perspective, please.
Soon we will be in a situation where you really can't speak against
your government (about certain issues) without being fined or jailed,
which in many cases is effectively almost as bad as risking your life.
You know, there are certain issues which are becoming more and more
a taboo, and which are overriding freedom of speech. Not too unlike what
has happened in China where, for example, speaking about the Tiananmen
Square events is taboo and will get you fined or jailed.
--
- Warp
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
> Soon we will be in a situation where you really can't speak against
> your government (about certain issues) without being fined or jailed,
Happens in a lot of countries already regarding certain events during the
war - doesn't seem to affect anyone apart from the people wanting to cause
trouble for the sake of it. Is that a problem for you?
Hey, you can even cause massive disruption by protesting against your
government, yet they do nothing, no fine, no arrests, no attempt to even
stop the disruption. *That's* ludicrous IMO.
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
>> IKWYM, but LimeWire popped up; BitTorrent is a transfer protocol, bit
>> different than Napster or Limewire....
What I meant was BitTorrent suddenly became hugely popular for sharing
pirated files, since people were unable to use Napster to share pirated
files.
> It's a damned PROTOCOL. It can't be
> illegal on its own. It's how you use it.
Hehe you could say the same with guns. Actually no, a much higher
proportion of people use guns for legal activity :-)
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
>> Software pirate mentality is one of the worst things that really
>> grinds
>> my gears. People who pirate software and have this kind of attitude are
>> the worst moral scum on earth.
>
> Uh, no, I think you'll find that people who think it's appropriate to
> bomb innocent civilians are the worst moral scum on earth.
>
> Let's have some perspective, please.
Exactly. The worst consequences of pirating are companies going bankrupt,
there are many many crimes with far worse consequences. Even driving at
50mph in a 30mph limit past a school is worse IMO. Would you rather you
lost your job or your child?
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Blocking BitTorrent is really stupid. If someone sets a FTP server with lots
> of pirated material, they'll block FTP? It's a damned PROTOCOL. It can't be
> illegal on its own. It's how you use it.
I would hazard a guess that blocking BitTorrent is *infeasible* too.
It's not like it runs on a Well Known Port. It will run on any damned
port you like!
Personally, I use BitTorrent all the time - and AFAIK I've never used it
for anything illegal...
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
scott wrote:
>> It's a damned PROTOCOL. It can't be
>> illegal on its own. It's how you use it.
>
> Hehe you could say the same with guns. Actually no, a much higher
> proportion of people use guns for legal activity :-)
Hmm not really... Guns were *made for* killing.
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Invisible wrote:
> I would hazard a guess that blocking BitTorrent is *infeasible* too.
> It's not like it runs on a Well Known Port. It will run on any damned
> port you like!
Some ISPs started blocking it or throttling speed by detecting the protocol.
So now many clients support encryption. Run it through port 443 and they
can't tell it apart from online banking :)
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
