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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Teh intertubes
Date: 17 Oct 2008 05:14:37
Message: <48f8577d$1@news.povray.org>
>> I'll believe it when I see it.
> 
> Download something from this page:
> 
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/musicandvideo/hdvideo/contentshowcase.aspx


I'll have to try that when I get home later. Obviously my work PC is 
barely powerful enough to decode MPEG-1 in near-realtime. ;-)

> Funny, I regularly encode POV stills using xvid4psp into MP4 format for 
> my PS3, it looks way better than any DVD.

Ah, OK then. That must be the "magic" Warp mentioned. Certainly it never 
worked for me...

>> [Although never as good as a commercial DVD - don't ask me why.])
> 
> Add motion blur?  Also the DVD standard allows different bitrates, make 
> sure you are using the highest one for small animations.

Well, one of my videos is a stationary image who's colours very slowly 
change. But on the DVD, the colours seem to remain completely 
stationary, except that once every 2 seconds they all change at once... 
I'm guessing the video is below the change threshold or something.

The videos involving movement seem to work quite well. Possibly because 
they move too fast for you to set and study every individual pixel - 
hey, isn't that how perception-based codecs are supposed to work anyhow? ;-)


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Teh intertubes
Date: 17 Oct 2008 07:30:00
Message: <48f87738@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Basically I've never seen a video on the Internet that doesn't look 
> horribly mutilated.

  You clearly don't download pirated TV series and movies. That's very
commendable.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Teh intertubes
Date: 17 Oct 2008 07:37:06
Message: <48f878e2$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:

>   You clearly don't download pirated TV series and movies. That's very
> commendable.

I don't download pirated *anything*. [Knowingly, anyway.]

In fact, about the only pirated items I own are... the scores for two 
organ tocattas, actually. (One illegally photocopied from a book, one 
illegally scanned from a book and downloaded from the Internet.)

Oh yeah, and I have a copy of "Golden Brown" by the Stranglers which I 
didn't actually pay for.

Other than that, everything I own is ilegal.

(In the case of Borland's Turbo Pascal 5.5 for DOS, "legal" only because 
the license recently changed...)

OTOH, I'm pretty sure that 98% of everything on YouTube is illegal, and 
I have watched some of it, so...... ;-)



PS. I have a real TV and there isn't ever anything at on that I *want* 
to watch. Why would I try to illegally download it? o_O

PPS. I did watch a pirate copy of The Tuxido at a friend's house once. 
Man, why did I bother? I mean, apart from the fact that the film itself 
is actually lame, the picture quality was absurd...


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Teh intertubes
Date: 17 Oct 2008 07:59:10
Message: <48f87e0e$1@news.povray.org>
> Other than that, everything I own is ilegal.

YOu heard it here first!

> PPS. I did watch a pirate copy of The Tuxido at a friend's house once. 
> Man, why did I bother? I mean, apart from the fact that the film itself is 
> actually lame, the picture quality was absurd...

You find that the bitTorrent sites are full of rips from the BluRay HD discs 
now, the quality is quite exceptional.  So I'm told.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Teh intertubes
Date: 17 Oct 2008 08:09:16
Message: <48f8806c@news.povray.org>
>> Other than that, everything I own is ilegal.
> 
> YOu heard it here first!

OK, well, there *is* that pen I accidentally took home without asking...

:-P

>> PPS. I did watch a pirate copy of The Tuxido at a friend's house once. 
>> Man, why did I bother? I mean, apart from the fact that the film 
>> itself is actually lame, the picture quality was absurd...
> 
> You find that the bitTorrent sites are full of rips from the BluRay HD 
> discs now, the quality is quite exceptional.  So I'm told.

I think you're missing my point: The stuff on TV is rubbish anyway, so 
why would I want to steal it? ;-)

Now, *movies* are another matter... Sometimes a good one comes out. But 
it's not exactly expensive to buy them legally.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Teh intertubes
Date: 17 Oct 2008 09:15:00
Message: <48f88fd4@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Warp wrote:

> >   You clearly don't download pirated TV series and movies. That's very
> > commendable.

> I don't download pirated *anything*. [Knowingly, anyway.]

  As I said, that's very commendable, and extremely rare for a computer
user (and even rarer for a computer nerd).

  But it also explains why you haven't seen divx/xvid videos with good
quality/size ratios. (That is, because I would estimate at least 99% of
divx/xvid/h264 videos out there are illegal.)

> OTOH, I'm pretty sure that 98% of everything on YouTube is illegal, and 
> I have watched some of it, so...... ;-)

  An interesting question is whether it's punishable to watch a youtube
video which contains copyrighted material or not. After all, you can't
know if the video is copyrighted or not when you click on a youtube link.
There's no way of knowingly avoid downloading the video (or part of it),
other than avoiding youtube altogether. (And even that can be almost
impossible given all the millions of websites out there which *embed*
youtube videos in them. You would have to stop surfing the web completely.)

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Teh intertubes
Date: 17 Oct 2008 09:16:27
Message: <48f8902b@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Now, *movies* are another matter... Sometimes a good one comes out. But 
> it's not exactly expensive to buy them legally.

  And you don't even have to buy it, because there are video rentals.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Teh intertubes
Date: 17 Oct 2008 09:30:58
Message: <48f89392$1@news.povray.org>
>> I don't download pirated *anything*. [Knowingly, anyway.]
> 
>   As I said, that's very commendable, and extremely rare for a computer
> user (and even rarer for a computer nerd).

Really? I wasn't aware of that...

>   But it also explains why you haven't seen divx/xvid videos with good
> quality/size ratios. (That is, because I would estimate at least 99% of
> divx/xvid/h264 videos out there are illegal.)

99% of DivX/Xvid/H264? Surely it would be accurate to say "99% of ALL 
VIDEO on the Internet"? ;-)

Actually, why the qualifier "video"...? o_O

>   An interesting question is whether it's punishable to watch a youtube
> video which contains copyrighted material or not.

Now that *is* an interesting question, actually...

[Presumably the answer depends on where you're watching. Whether it 
*should* be punishable is another matter... IMHO, the person illegally 
posting stuff should be held responsible, but I guess the law doesn't 
always work like that.]

> After all, you can't
> know if the video is copyrighted or not when you click on a youtube link.

Well... if you click on something that mentions the title of a 
well-known film, it's more or less guaranteed to be illegal. (Although 
in a tiny minority of cases, the poster might geniunely have permission 
from the copywrite holder.)

OTOH, videos don't necessarily have helpful captions, and you can't 
possibly know of every copywrited item that exists in the world, so yes, 
there are definitily cases there the viewer cannot be expected to know 
that they are watching pirated material.

> There's no way of knowingly avoid downloading the video (or part of it),
> other than avoiding youtube altogether. (And even that can be almost
> impossible given all the millions of websites out there which *embed*
> youtube videos in them. You would have to stop surfing the web completely.)

Yeah, pretty much...


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Teh intertubes
Date: 17 Oct 2008 09:54:18
Message: <48f8990a@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > After all, you can't
> > know if the video is copyrighted or not when you click on a youtube link.

> Well... if you click on something that mentions the title of a 
> well-known film, it's more or less guaranteed to be illegal.

  YouTube links do not contain anything about the contents of the video.
(Also the title of the video alone doesn't really tell if it contains
copyrighted material or not.)

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Teh intertubes
Date: 17 Oct 2008 12:14:15
Message: <48f8b9d7$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> OTOH, I'm pretty sure that 98% of everything on YouTube is illegal, and 
> I have watched some of it, so...... ;-)

Closer to 30%, I heard from a recent lawsuit about it.  On the other 
hand, if 75% of everything on youtube is crap, guess which part the 
home-built videos probably fall in to.

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)


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