Tim Cook wrote:
> No, encryption is that big red flag that says you've got something to 
> hide. 

Or, to phrase it differently, I take it you don't like using SSL online?

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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message 
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> Anyway, off-site backup is good. Encrypt it, and take the disk to work and 
> leave it there. :-)  Or put it in the safe. I'm pretty sure you're not 
> required to give them the password to it.

Actually I'm pretty sure refusing to give them my passwords would've gotten 
me arrested in itself.  Refusing to cooperate and all that.

> Um, yeah. Other company's confidential files. Your financial records. Etc. 
> And putting a door on your bathroom or curtains on your windows means you 
> have something to hide also, right? :-)

I sure do, there!

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Tim Cook wrote:
> Actually I'm pretty sure refusing to give them my passwords would've 
> gotten me arrested in itself.  Refusing to cooperate and all that.

Probably not in the USA. Welcome to the Fifth Amendment.  You gave them 
the data. You don't have to help them read it.

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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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Tim Cook wrote:
> gotten me arrested in itself. 

Let me rephrase that. You might have gotten arrested. A decent lawyer 
would keep you from being convicted of anything.

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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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Darren New wrote:

> Probably not in the USA. Welcome to the Fifth Amendment.  

http://volokh.com/posts/1197670606.shtml
for a summary...

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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> I don't even mind *too* much if they keep the hardware...that can be
> replaced.  But stuff like my financial records I really could use back.
>
....
>
> Plus I have stuff like live-action Sailor Moon, PreCure, and Ebichu that it
> wouldn't surprise me if they arrested me after watching, simply on
> principle. :P
>


Once, I daydreamed about putting some of my most important files on a USB stick
and hiding it in the basement insulation, but I thought it too paranoid an idea
until now.

Wait a minute, is povray.off-topic still saving messages into perpetuity?????

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Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > Isn't that what encryption is for?

> No, encryption is that big red flag that says you've got something to hide. 

  Well, there are rather ingenuous encrypting programs out there, such as
TrueCrypt.

  It's completely impossible to see from a TrueCrypt-encrypted file that
it's an encrypted file. It just looks like random data and it's completely
impossible to *prove* that it's actually an encrypted file, even if you
knew it was. TrueCrypt puts absolutely no headers nor any other distinctive
data in the file which could be a sign that it's an encrypted file created
with it. It's just random data, period. Someone could at most suspect that
it's an encrypted file, but he has no way of proving it.

  The tricks offered by TrueCrypt don't end there. You can create encrypted
files (which internally work as a file system) with a hidden portion. In
other words, the file is divided into two parts, the main part and the
hidden part, each one encrypted with a different key.

  The idea is that you put your sensitive data, the one you really want
to protect, in the hidden part. In the main part you put something which
looks believably sensitive, but isn't really. You could put eg. (legal)
porn pics there or whatever, which one could believably want to encrypt.

  If someone suspects that the file is an encrypted file and forces you to
give them the key, you can give them the key to the main part. They will
then decrypt the contents with that key, and they will get your porn pics
from there and that's it. The hidden part will look like empty space at
the end of the file system, and again there's absolutely no hints that
there actually is some additional data there, nor is it possible prove it
by any means. It's all random garbage.

  When you want to access your data in the hidden part, you decrypt with
the second key, which will then access that hidden part rather than the
main part.

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                                                          - Warp

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> It's OK as long as you keep it general: "I like children."

  If a lonely middle-aged man says that, he will get disgusted looks. ;)

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                                                          - Warp

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On 13 Oct 2008 09:15:55 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>  Well, there are rather ingenuous encrypting programs out there, such as
>TrueCrypt.

I just checked out the documentation on their website.  TrueCrypt looks awesome.  I
may have to try it out.

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Darren New wrote:
> Tim Cook wrote:
>> Actually I'm pretty sure refusing to give them my passwords would've
>> gotten me arrested in itself.  Refusing to cooperate and all that.
> 
> Probably not in the USA. Welcome to the Fifth Amendment.  You gave them
> the data. You don't have to help them read it.

	Yes, not in the US. I believe this has been tested in court. (Well, as
you pointed out, he could get arrested, but they can't charge him with
anything).

	Fifth Amendment only works if you're being investigated. If, however,
they're searching your computer for evidence about someone else's crime,
I don't think you can plead the Fifth. In the US, however, I believe you
don't have to hand over the password regardless.

	If Tim is in the UK (sorry, I don't follow your lives that closely<G>),
then the law does have the right to force him to hand over the password.

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