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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:48f0f92f@news.povray.org...
> Isn't Delphi also long since dead? I haven't even heard its name
> mentioned in years...
No computer language ever dies a dignified death. Very few serious projects
are being started in Delphi, but people still use it (or are stuck using it)
and CodeGear just released a new version. Oh, and Delphi does .NET.
Ironically, while very few people use it, Delphi is arguably the most
suitable/supported platform remaining right now for native W32 application
development.
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>> - We write "custom business applications" (so we want VB / VBA or
>> maybe Java).
>
> Most of that that I see is C#/VB.Net/Java
how to use VBA to make Excel "analyse complex sales bonus structures".
Whatever the hell that means...
I guess some of the guys who want "VB" actually mean VB.NET...
>> - We write web applications, so we want JavaScript / Perl / PHP.
>
> Or ASP.Net
Yeah, quite possibly.
>> "Everything past XP" meaning "only the latest bleeding edge OS that
>> nobody is using yet"?
>
> I think it was included in one of the XP service packs. XP RTM didn't,
> but I'm sure SP1 or SP2 included .net framework
I'm fairly sure SP1 predates the existence of .NET; but it might have
been in SP2. (There's an SP3 now isn't there?)
> Oh, and from your second statement, I didn't realise my name had been
> changed. Hi, I'm nobody.
*sigh* Already, _almost_ nobody. Happy now? :-P
>> I don't recall that conversation, but anyway... my PC has never had it
>> until now. (It has it *now* because I just installed MS Visual Studio,
>> and the first thing it does is install this unwanted component.)
>
> I'm pretty sure it did. VS has to install the sdk, but I'm willing to
> bet you had the runtime long before that.
Then why did Windows Update keep offering to install it?
>> Isn't Delphi also long since dead? I haven't even heard its name
>> mentioned in years...
>
> One of my best friends has a job coding in it, so no. It's not as
> popular as it used to be though.
Sort of like the way there's still a small market for COBOL?
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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somebody wrote:
> I think you misspelled: It's spelled Haskell, not .NET.
Nice burn! :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Now there's an interesting question. Is Haskell rarer than .NET?
Just so you know, every web page you see that ends in .aspx is .NET. In
case you didn't realize that.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Maybe .NET code is just less "visible" somehow?
Yes, because (on Windows at least) it works so seamlessly that you can
install and use .NET programs and not even know they're written using
.NET. The Java folks like to crow about how great their Java stuff is,
because it's so hard to get it installed and working you give them extra
brownie points for the pain of it. </troll> ;-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Darren New wrote:
>
> Yes, because (on Windows at least) it works so seamlessly that you can
> install and use .NET programs and not even know they're written using
> .NET.
...assuming you already have the correct .NET framework version
installed. If you'll need to install one first, you really should
realize that the program is using .NET ;).
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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>> Yes, because (on Windows at least) it works so seamlessly that you can
>> install and use .NET programs and not even know they're written using
>> .NET.
>
> ...assuming you already have the correct .NET framework version
> installed. If you'll need to install one first, you really should
> realize that the program is using .NET ;).
Exactly. I have only ever had to install the .NET framework for two
applications. There's an obscure program at work that uses it, and when
I recently installed Visual Studio it demanded it. Other than that, I've
never come across any program that requires is.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:48f122b4$1@news.povray.org...
>> I'm pretty sure it did. VS has to install the sdk, but I'm willing to bet
>> you had the runtime long before that.
>
> Then why did Windows Update keep offering to install it?
>
Because you didn't have the latest version? (which is 3.5 SP1)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> never come across any program that requires is.
Many programs will install it automatically without really asking, if
you're installing off a CD or so. There are bunches of cheapish
commercial programs (in the $10-$20 range) that make use of it. So you
may have installed it and not even known it.
Of course, the real beneficial area is web stuff. They did a pretty nice
job there.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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