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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Yay, stress!
Date: 9 Oct 2008 03:59:59
Message: <kfere4honial2rjvodd8sa1pjh3sqilmp7@4ax.com>
On 8 Oct 2008 11:24:55 -0400, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

>What do program management and IT have in common? 

They are natural enemies IMO.
I've just come off a project that is being program managed to death, More time
is spent in meetings, deciding how to catch up than doing the work to catch up.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Yay, stress!
Date: 9 Oct 2008 12:13:51
Message: <48ee2dbf$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:59:54 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 8 Oct 2008 11:24:55 -0400, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> 
>>What do program management and IT have in common?
> 
> They are natural enemies IMO.

I am my own enemy? ;-)

> I've just come off a project that is being program managed to death,
> More time is spent in meetings, deciding how to catch up than doing the
> work to catch up.

I'm using "Program Management" not in the PMP sense of the term - but 
running a program (like a partner program, for example).  I understand 
that PMP defines "Program Management" as essentially "managing a bunch of 
little interrelated projects".  In the sense of program management that 
I'm using, there's actually very little project management.

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Yay, stress!
Date: 9 Oct 2008 13:06:29
Message: <3gdse412hies9g4oa2jjb1n8j87qq1rr7k@4ax.com>
On 9 Oct 2008 12:13:51 -0400, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:59:54 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 8 Oct 2008 11:24:55 -0400, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> 
>>>What do program management and IT have in common?
>> 
>> They are natural enemies IMO.
>
>I am my own enemy? ;-)
>

Aren't we all to some extent? :)


>> I've just come off a project that is being program managed to death,
>> More time is spent in meetings, deciding how to catch up than doing the
>> work to catch up.
>
>I'm using "Program Management" not in the PMP sense of the term - but 
>running a program (like a partner program, for example).  I understand 
>that PMP defines "Program Management" as essentially "managing a bunch of 
>little interrelated projects".  In the sense of program management that 
>I'm using, there's actually very little project management.
>

I think that I need a lexicon. Maybe we can use the British spelling of
programme/project management for those eedgits and program for computer stuff.

You might be able to tell that I'm a bit tee'd off with my last project but not
as much as they will be when one of the other configures hands in his notice
next week :D
I just didn't renew my contract.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Yay, stress!
Date: 9 Oct 2008 22:56:15
Message: <48eec44f$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:06:21 +0100, Stephen wrote:

>>> They are natural enemies IMO.
>>
>>I am my own enemy? ;-)
>>
> Aren't we all to some extent? :)

Hmmm, that's a fair point. :-)

>>> I've just come off a project that is being program managed to death,
>>> More time is spent in meetings, deciding how to catch up than doing
>>> the work to catch up.
>>
>>I'm using "Program Management" not in the PMP sense of the term - but
>>running a program (like a partner program, for example).  I understand
>>that PMP defines "Program Management" as essentially "managing a bunch
>>of little interrelated projects".  In the sense of program management
>>that I'm using, there's actually very little project management.
>>
>>
> I think that I need a lexicon. Maybe we can use the British spelling of
> programme/project management for those eedgits and program for computer
> stuff.

I haven't found anything that defines a difference between the two 
usages.  That's one of the problems with overloaded words.

> You might be able to tell that I'm a bit tee'd off with my last project
> but not as much as they will be when one of the other configures hands
> in his notice next week :D

Just a touch, yeah, I'd noticed.  I've had a few like that myself.

> I just didn't renew my contract.

That'd be one way of dealing with it. :-)

Jim


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