> Yeah, well, once you *know* that it's easy enough. ;-)

That's what we're here for =)

It's also worth looking through the menus for shortcuts to common operations 
like compiling and executing.

> Wait - you can have conditional breakpoints?

Yeah. In the version I use at work, you just right click on the breakpoint 
and select "condition". In previous versions it was in a submenu of the 
right click menu. I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of the removed 
features from the express edition. (If it's free, they had to take 
*something* out.)

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Wait - you can have conditional breakpoints?
>

Yup. Have had for a couple versions of visual studio. Very handy for when 
you want to break on the 99th iteration of a 1..100 loop, or for when you're 
sure a variable should have a value within a certain range at a certain 
point, but very occasionally doesn't.

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"Slime" <fak### [at] emailaddress> wrote in message 
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>> According to "Thinking in C++", you can use the keywords "and", "or" and 
>> "not" in place of symbols. GCC accepts this. However, Visual C++ doesn't 
>> seem to like it.
>
> Ewww, someone got Visual Basic in my C++.

RotFL

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Slime <fak### [at] emailaddress> wrote:
> I haven't used the Express edition, but what I normally do is go to 
> Project -> Add New Item, which creates a file *and* adds it to the current 
> project.

  I usually create a new source file with emacs and then select
Project -> Add existing item.

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Fredrik Eriksson <fe79}--at--{yahoo}--dot--{com> wrote:
> The bitwise operators are all single character. There are also only four  
> of them. You get used to it.

  << and >> are bitwise operators, and are longer than a single character.

  Not to talk about ^=, |=, &=, <<= and >>=.

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Fredrik Eriksson <fe79}--at--{yahoo}--dot--{com> wrote:
> There is currently as far as I know only one C++ compiler vendor that even  
> claims to implement the full standard.

  Does the count change if we disregard export templates?

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On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:16:19 +0200, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>   << and >> are bitwise operators, and are longer than a single  
> character.

True, though they have no logical counterparts.


>   Not to talk about ^=, |=, &=, <<= and >>=.

Also true, but I would consider those a kind of compound operators.



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On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:19:04 +0200, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Fredrik Eriksson <fe79}--at--{yahoo}--dot--{com> wrote:
>> There is currently as far as I know only one C++ compiler vendor that  
>> even claims to implement the full standard.
>
>   Does the count change if we disregard export templates?

I think it might, but "claims to implement the full standard" is not the  
same as "claims to be fully standards-compliant" which of course is not  
the same as "is fully standards-compliant".

Strictly speaking, it is impossible to be fully compliant to ISO  
14882-1998 since the standard itself contains self-contradictions. I think  
most (hopefully all) of those have been dealt with for the upcoming  
revision of the standard though.


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Slime wrote:
>> I clicked on the big shiny button that says "toggle breakpoint". It looks
>> like a big grey square, and sure enough, when you click it, a big grey
>> square appears at that line of the source code. Only by accident did I
>> discover that you have to click on this breakpoint to make a big red dot
>> appear on it, and *then* it will do something. (It is unclear to me what
>> the hell use an inactive breakpoint is, but still...)
> 
> Odd. You can also just press F9 to make a breakpoint.
> 
> Inactive breakpoints are usually useful when you've added a complicated
> condition to a breakpoint and you want to turn it off but get it back
> later.

But it's also "useful" to make the default an ACTIVE breakpoint!

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Inactive breakpoints are usually useful when you've added a complicated
>> condition to a breakpoint and you want to turn it off but get it back
>> later.
> 
> Wait - you can have conditional breakpoints?

Or you can enable/disable them by hand while debugging.

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