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On 14-Jul-08 9:14, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Chambers wrote:
>
>> Heh... while I never used the original model, most of the schools
>> where I lived used IIe's or later. As the article says, there are
>> *still* schools around that have labs full of them.
>
> Must be a regional thing... When I was at school, it was the BBC Micro -
> and nothing else!
>
Regional, as in 'country wide monopoly'.
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On 14-Jul-08 16:32, Warp wrote:
> Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguy com> wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> But anyway, I was under the impression they used to be M68k-based, and
>>> then PPC, and then recently went to Intel Core 2.
>
>> From Wikipedia*: "Throughout the 1980s and much of the 1990s, the Apple
>> II was the de facto standard computer in American education; some of
>> them are still operational in classrooms today.
>
> There's no use in trying to convince him that Apple computers are or have
> ever been popular anywhere. He will never believe it, no matter how much
> evidence you pour to him.
No, he has vaguely heard of them, but it was before his time. While we
take an active interest in what happens in this world and how that came
about, he doesn't. I didn't believe it possible, until I met Andrew. Now
I have to admit that continuously living in the present is just as valid
and consistent as my way of life. You just have to remember when talking
to him that he has this strange behaviour.
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andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> No, he has vaguely heard of them, but it was before his time. While we
> take an active interest in what happens in this world and how that came
> about, he doesn't. I didn't believe it possible, until I met Andrew. Now
> I have to admit that continuously living in the present is just as valid
> and consistent as my way of life. You just have to remember when talking
> to him that he has this strange behaviour.
Well, Apple computers being rather popular in some places *today* is
the present.
--
- Warp
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> But anyway, I was under the impression they used to be M68k-based, and
> then PPC, and then recently went to Intel Core 2.
That was the Mac series. The 8-bit computers that preceded the Mac used
the 6502 (or variants thereof).
Regards,
John
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John VanSickle wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
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>> I just wrote the assembly on a piece of paper, and when the program
>> was properly finished, it'd do the "assembling" part by hand. (I.e.,
>> open my dad's book and leaf through the op-code table.)
>
> Hand assembly was actually a common practice until 16-bit processors
> made this too troublesome;
Actually, it was pretty common before, too. Lots of machines designed to
be programmed in assembler had opcodes organized in a way that made it
easy to remember them and how to code them. If nothing else, it made
debugging via memory dumps easier. (You wonder why C supports octal?)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
Helpful housekeeping hints:
Check your feather pillows for holes
before putting them in the washing machine.
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On 14-Jul-08 21:02, Warp wrote:
> andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>>> There's no use in trying to convince him that Apple computers are or have
>>> ever been popular anywhere. He will never believe it, no matter how much
>>> evidence you pour to him.
>> No, he has vaguely heard of them, but it was before his time. While we
>> take an active interest in what happens in this world and how that came
>> about, he doesn't. I didn't believe it possible, until I met Andrew. Now
>> I have to admit that continuously living in the present is just as valid
>> and consistent as my way of life. You just have to remember when talking
>> to him that he has this strange behaviour.
> Well, Apple computers being rather popular in some places *today* is
> the present.
I don't think Apple ][ computers are much used anymore and that is the
one he was not familiar enough with to know which processor that used.
As I said above that is probably because they were already outdated when
he started using computers. I think there is absolutely no reason to
assume he dislikes them. So to be honest I don't see why you react this
way (I refer to the 3 lines above that I reincluded).
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>> Eventually I tired of this, and wrote my old assembler.
>
> The C64 had a cartridge port on the back end, and one fine company put
> out a cartridge called HESMon, which provided a mini-assembler, memory
> dump and editing, and so on.
Yes. I never did manage to afford one...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Can somebody find out the typical MIPS and FLOPS for the following:
>
> - Commodore 64 (6510 @ ~1 MHz)
> - ZX Spectrum (Z80 @ 3.5 MHz)
> - Pentium I @ 66 MHz
> - Pentium II @ 233 MHz
> - Pentium III @ 500 MHz
> - Pentium IV @ 4.0 GHz
> - Intel Core 2 Quad @ 3.0 GHz
>
Get SETI@Home host statistics XML file. There is quite a variety of
computers there. <p_model> may or may not have the CPU speed. p_fpops and
p_iops have the floating point and integer benchmark results, respectively
(unit is operations per second, not million operations per second).
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/stats/host.gz
(Warning: once uncompressed it's about 2GB, don't even *think* of using a
tree-based XML parser unless you have 8GB of RAM)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I didn't know much about algorithms back then. Give me a break! I was
> only 11...
Heh and that's why I don't like it when people here point at what I don't
know when in some cases I wasn't born when it went obsolete :P
When I was 11 I was doing Javascript. And I've yet to learn *any* kind of
assembly language.
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
>> Can somebody find out the typical MIPS and FLOPS for the following:
>>
>> - Commodore 64 (6510 @ ~1 MHz)
>> - ZX Spectrum (Z80 @ 3.5 MHz)
>> - Pentium I @ 66 MHz
>> - Pentium II @ 233 MHz
>> - Pentium III @ 500 MHz
>> - Pentium IV @ 4.0 GHz
>> - Intel Core 2 Quad @ 3.0 GHz
>>
>
> Get SETI@Home host statistics XML file. There is quite a variety of
> computers there.
Clarification: you will NOT find a C64 in there.
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