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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Mencoder question
Date: 17 Jun 2008 08:23:18
Message: <4857acb6$1@news.povray.org>
>>>> http://download.orphi.me.uk/Video/Example.mpg
>>>   No such server.
> 
>> Au contrare, I think my host's MIME types are configured wrong or 
>> something. Try downloading the file and playing it locally...
> 
>   MIME types have nothing to do with whether my computer can see that
> host at all.

On mine, Firefox tried to play the clip with QuickTime, which after a 
lengthy timeout period told me the file wasn't there. (??!?!)

>   It's working now, though.

...OK, well that's even stranger then. I haven't changed anything. :-.

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Mencoder question
Date: 17 Jun 2008 12:27:11
Message: <4857e5df$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
>>   It's working now, though.
> ....OK, well that's even stranger then. I haven't changed anything. :-.

Computer networking: That moment in time when a billion things fail to 
go wrong at the same time.

Distributed computing: When a computer you've never even heard of can 
keep you from getting your work done.

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
  Helpful housekeeping hints:
   Check your feather pillows for holes
    before putting them in the washing machine.


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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: Mencoder question
Date: 17 Jun 2008 12:29:15
Message: <4857e65b@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> I was under the impression that Mencoder *is* a library...

	As already answered, it isn't.

>>     In any case:
>>
>> mencoder "mf://*.jpg" -mf fps=25 -o output.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts 
>> vcodec=mpeg4
>>
>>     It shouldn't be too hard to go from there to mpeg1.
> 
> [Except for the minor detail that you need to say vcodec=mpeg1video, not 
> just vcodec=mpeg1. And you have to use a different container format. 
>  From a different library.]

	BTW, just changing to vcodec=mpeg1video on my side works fine. It's in 
an avi container format, but the codec is mpeg1.

> [Notice how every time somebody posts an Xvid or DivX or anything else 
> to the POV-Ray servers, everybody complains they can't play it until 
> somebody gets it transcoded back to MPEG-1?]

	Well, it's rarer than MPEG-1, obviously. I'd say you'd be hard pressed 
to find many people who frequently do video conversions and can't play 
either.

>>     I'd be curious to see if the same command you're giving will 
>> produce a working avi file on my side...
> 
>   mencoder mf://*.png -ovc raw -of avi -o Test.avi
> 
> That's from memory anyway... I'll check when I get home.

	Works fine on my side. If you want, I can upload the result (of this 
and the previous one) for you to check if it'll work on your computer.

	When you do it this way, the codec is *not* mpeg. With the files I had, 
it reports a codec of YV12 - or rawyv12

-- 
"Once again, Mr. Cutlet fulfilled the sacred oath of the public 
educator: To take an inherently fun activity, and sap it of every ounce 
of pleasure."
		-- Kevin Arnold in "Wonder Years".


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Not Mencoder then
Date: 17 Jun 2008 12:29:29
Message: <4857e669@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
>  From the ashes disaster grow the roses of success!
> Success!
> Success!

Congratulations. That's culture.  What you just expressed right there 
with *that* song is why it's valuable to watch some classic movies and 
read some classic books. Other people are probably making similar 
comments all the time in movies you watch and conversations you have and 
you possibly don't even notice.

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
  Helpful housekeeping hints:
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    before putting them in the washing machine.


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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: Not Mencoder then
Date: 17 Jun 2008 12:31:45
Message: <4857e6f1$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> I am becoming increasingly frustrated with Mencoder.
> 
> Does *anybody* know of *any* tool [apart from Mencoder] which can 
> programmatically generate an uncompressed AVI file from a bunch of PNG 
> files? I can't believe how hard this is...

	This is irrelevant now that you've got it working, but I'll still 
defend mencoder.<G>

	I was going to suggest that you post your results online and I'd see if 
I could get it playing. If so, then the problem is simply a lack of 
codecs on your side...

-- 
"Once again, Mr. Cutlet fulfilled the sacred oath of the public 
educator: To take an inherently fun activity, and sap it of every ounce 
of pleasure."
		-- Kevin Arnold in "Wonder Years".


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Mencoder question
Date: 18 Jun 2008 04:26:44
Message: <4858c6c4$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:

> Distributed computing: When a computer you've never even heard of can 
> keep you from getting your work done.

One could argue that povray.org keeps me from getting my work done... 
Hmm... ;-)

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Not Mencoder then
Date: 18 Jun 2008 04:28:24
Message: <4858c728@news.povray.org>
>>  From the ashes disaster grow the roses of success!
>> Success!
>> Success!
> 
> Congratulations. That's culture.  What you just expressed right there 
> with *that* song is why it's valuable to watch some classic movies and 
> read some classic books. Other people are probably making similar 
> comments all the time in movies you watch and conversations you have and 
> you possibly don't even notice.

...and if somebody didn't recognise this particular reference, would it 
matter?

[I wouldn't exactly describe this particular song as "well known". I 
know it. But that doesn't mean much. I also know a song called "How Can 
I Sing Like A Girl?" :-P ]

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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: Not Mencoder then
Date: 18 Jun 2008 07:13:06
Message: <4858edc2$1@news.povray.org>

4858c728@news.povray.org...
> ...and if somebody didn't recognise this particular reference, would it 
> matter?
>

The question is whether this somebody wants to fit in and be part of the 
local culture or not.
If the answer is "I don't care", then it doesn't matter: it's a perfectly 
respectable choice to remain out of the loop. But when that somebody also 
expresses dismay at finding himself excluded and unable to relate to other 
people in a significant way, then it does matter. One cannot refuse to fit 
while still wanting to fit at the same time.
Note that it's not a true dichotomy - nobody is able to grasp every single 
bit of common knowledge lying around and there are variable levels and 
scopes of "fitness" anyway - but it's up to everyone to make this kind of 
choice, consciously or not.

G.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Not Mencoder then
Date: 18 Jun 2008 07:23:42
Message: <4858f03e$1@news.povray.org>
>> ...and if somebody didn't recognise this particular reference, would it 
>> matter?
>>
> 
> The question is whether this somebody wants to fit in and be part of the 
> local culture or not.

Actually it was more a question of whether you have to be able to "get" 
every single individual cultural reference to understand a conversation, 
but sure, you could frame it that way.

> Note that it's not a true dichotomy - nobody is able to grasp every single 
> bit of common knowledge lying around and there are variable levels and 
> scopes of "fitness" anyway - but it's up to everyone to make this kind of 
> choice, consciously or not.

Well then, I guess what I need to do is somehow find a group of people 
who actually like the same kind of things as me. [A problem that doesn't 
appear to be unique to me...]

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Mencoder question
Date: 18 Jun 2008 15:51:11
Message: <4859672f$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
> The file happened to be laying around on my HD. It's actually meant to 
> be watched at 22 frames/second - but the MPEG headers say 25, which is 
> why it looks so damned fast.

Nah, I ment that the steps are so big that there's no MPEG-style motion 
blur.

> But I tried freeze-framing it in a few 
> places, and nothing really serious was evident.

Yep, nothing serious, but still visible.

> Certainly this video looks miles better than anything Mencoder has so 
> far managed to produce for me. Every time I try with Mencoder, I get 
> huge blocks of rainbow colours appearing here and there, and sometimes 
> really ugly DCT artifacts as if the file is actually corrupted somehow...

Yep, this does look good, certainly the best MPEG-1 I've ever 
seen...Hey, wait a minute, I just watched it again and found out why it 
looks so good:
Selected video codec: [ffmpeg2] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-2)

So I re-checked:
aero@groath ~ $ file ~/Example.mpg
/home/aero/Example.mpg: MPEG sequence, v2, MP@ML progressive Y'CbCr 
4:2:0 video, LD-TV 640P, 30 fps

Seems that the MPEG-header on the file I got says it's MPEG-II with 30fps.

> 
> Well OK, but you have to look pretty damned hard to find them. Certainly 
> compered to the chewed up mess Mencoder gives me, these look flawless!
> 

I even saw them on the first time I watched it - my eyes are getting 
cranky about those :(. I think I'll need to watch overcompressed JPEG's 
and FLV's for few months to get back to reality.

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Eero "Aero" Ahonen
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