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And lo on Thu, 01 May 2008 16:58:55 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> did
spake, saying:
>>> You'll have to admit it looks a bit paranoid... :P
>>>
>> Maybe, but when considering security paranoia is the name of the game.
>
> Well, as I understand it, if they don't physically have your card,
> knowing your PIN isn't much help anyway...
Um yes, but if I've only a small amount of shopping that results in a
quick transaction then I am now following you out of the store. So I just
bop you over the head, nick your wallet, and head to the nearest ATM.
That's not to mention the cloning devices that can be affixed to the front
of readers etc.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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And lo on Thu, 01 May 2008 16:56:37 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
did spake, saying:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> In the same vein it constantly astonishes me how many people tap their
>> PIN number for their credit/debit cards into shop terminals without a
>> care in the world.
>
> That's why I only have credit cards and not debit cards.
Ditto, you get a delay in transactions and extra fraud protection.
> (Other than an ATM card, which I'm careful with at the machine in much
> the same way. :-)
See Warp you can't be paranoid if more then one person acts in the same
way :-P
> Of course, living in a country where the banks tend to take the hit
> rather than the bank's customers helps too.
IIRC the burden is spread between the bank and the store (if regarding a
purchase) with the store often getting the short end of the stick.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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And lo on Thu, 01 May 2008 17:02:46 +0100, Doctor John
<doc### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:
> Invisible wrote:
>>>> You'll have to admit it looks a bit paranoid... :P
>>>>
>>> Maybe, but when considering security paranoia is the name of the game.
>>
>> Well, as I understand it, if they don't physically have your card,
>> knowing your PIN isn't much help anyway...
>>
> You enter your PIN; I note it and signal success to my accomplice; my
> accomplice picks your pocket obtaining your card; I use your card.
Ah see I wasn't quite as genteel.
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Phil Cook
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I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Thu, 01 May 2008 17:02:46 +0100, Doctor John
> <doc### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:
>
>> Invisible wrote:
>>>>> You'll have to admit it looks a bit paranoid... :P
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe, but when considering security paranoia is the name of the game.
>>>
>>> Well, as I understand it, if they don't physically have your card,
>>> knowing your PIN isn't much help anyway...
>>>
>> You enter your PIN; I note it and signal success to my accomplice; my
>> accomplice picks your pocket obtaining your card; I use your card.
>
> Ah see I wasn't quite as genteel.
>
I'm non-violent but I can cause lots of damage :-D
John
--
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> "Go to hell"
>
> Ah so that's your password?
Yes! I use it for everything. Even my bank accounts at
worldempirebank.com :)
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Kyle wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:44:27 -0500, Mike Raiford <mra### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>
>> Somebody offering me a free pen in exchange for a password is likely to
>> hear the words "Go to hell"
>
> What if it's a space pen that writes upside down? :-P
>
>
Hmm, compelling; but, no.
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Darren New wrote:
> "Yeah, and I'll give you $20 if you let the air out of all the tires on
> the car with the license tag ABC123!"
Oka .... heeey, wait a minute! That's my car!
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Phil Cook wrote:
> Personal note: I wrap both hands around the pad and peer into it like a
> periscope before tapping in my number with my thumb and yes I do get odd
> looks from cashiers at times for doing this.
I try to avoid situations where I would need to use my PIN.
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Eero Ahonen <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> >
> > I thought one that said
> > "Social Engineering: Because Humans are still at 1.0Beta"
> > would be more geeky.
> >
> When have we evolved past the alpha-level? :p
In software the usual versioning terminology is that an "alpha" version
is one which still doesn't have all the planned features, ie. features are
still being added, while a "beta" version is a version of the software which
has all the features but still lacks complete bug testing (ie. it "should
work" but there may be still bugs left).
I suppose the analogy with people is not all that bad.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> Eero Ahonen <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> I thought one that said
>>> "Social Engineering: Because Humans are still at 1.0Beta"
>>> would be more geeky.
>>>
>
>> When have we evolved past the alpha-level? :p
>
> In software the usual versioning terminology is that an "alpha" version
> is one which still doesn't have all the planned features, ie. features are
> still being added, while a "beta" version is a version of the software which
> has all the features but still lacks complete bug testing (ie. it "should
> work" but there may be still bugs left).
>
> I suppose the analogy with people is not all that bad.
>
Do you think we already have all the planned features now or are there
new ones still to be added later?
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