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From: Warp
Subject: Re: I don't know what's worse ...
Date: 1 May 2008 11:39:59
Message: <4819e44f@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> Personal note: I wrap both hands around the pad and peer into it like a  
> periscope before tapping in my number with my thumb and yes I do get odd  
> looks from cashiers at times for doing this.

  You'll have to admit it looks a bit paranoid... :P

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: I don't know what's worse ...
Date: 1 May 2008 11:43:20
Message: <4819e518@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> 
>   You'll have to admit it looks a bit paranoid... :P
> 
Maybe, but when considering security paranoia is the name of the game.

John

-- 
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: I don't know what's worse ...
Date: 1 May 2008 11:56:37
Message: <4819e835@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:
> In the same vein it constantly astonishes me how many people tap their 
> PIN number for their credit/debit cards into shop terminals without a 
> care in the world. 

That's why I only have credit cards and not debit cards. (Other than an 
ATM card, which I'm careful with at the machine in much the same way. :-)

Of course, living in a country where the banks tend to take the hit 
rather than the bank's customers helps too.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: I don't know what's worse ...
Date: 1 May 2008 11:56:50
Message: <4819e842$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> 
> I thought one that said
>   "Social Engineering: Because Humans are still at 1.0Beta"
> would be more geeky.
> 

When have we evolved past the alpha-level? :p

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: I don't know what's worse ...
Date: 1 May 2008 11:57:09
Message: <4819e855$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:

>   Inner security at its best?-)

"Evidently the Cardasians considered their *security officer* a 
*security risk*. This entire room is sealed to the bulkheads by 
forcefields. I can't shapeshift out of here..."

[Odo. Deep Space 9.]

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: I don't know what's worse ...
Date: 1 May 2008 11:58:49
Message: <4819e8b9$1@news.povray.org>
>>   You'll have to admit it looks a bit paranoid... :P
>>
> Maybe, but when considering security paranoia is the name of the game.

Well, as I understand it, if they don't physically have your card, 
knowing your PIN isn't much help anyway...

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: I don't know what's worse ...
Date: 1 May 2008 11:59:35
Message: <4819e8e7$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> And what's more, this kind of vulnerability can't be patched simply by 
>> visiting Windows Update or something. ;-)
> 
> I saw a t-shirt that said something along the lines of
>   "Social Engineering: Because there is no patch for human stupidity."
> 
> I thought one that said
>   "Social Engineering: Because Humans are still at 1.0Beta"
> would be more geeky.

"It's a wetware issue."

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: I don't know what's worse ...
Date: 1 May 2008 12:02:13
Message: <op.uahfza2gc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 01 May 2008 16:39:59 +0100, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> did  
spake, saying:

> Phil Cook <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>> Personal note: I wrap both hands around the pad and peer into it like a
>> periscope before tapping in my number with my thumb and yes I do get odd
>> looks from cashiers at times for doing this.
>
>   You'll have to admit it looks a bit paranoid... :P

and there I was thinking it just made me look like Sean Connery in Red  
Oktober, damn ;-)

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Phil Cook

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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: I don't know what's worse ...
Date: 1 May 2008 12:02:30
Message: <4819e996@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
>>>   You'll have to admit it looks a bit paranoid... :P
>>>
>> Maybe, but when considering security paranoia is the name of the game.
> 
> Well, as I understand it, if they don't physically have your card,
> knowing your PIN isn't much help anyway...
> 
You enter your PIN; I note it and signal success to my accomplice; my
accomplice picks your pocket obtaining your card; I use your card.

BTW your credit limit has now been exceeded ;-)

John

-- 
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: I don't know what's worse ...
Date: 1 May 2008 12:05:53
Message: <op.uahf5b0ac3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 01 May 2008 16:58:55 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

>>>   You'll have to admit it looks a bit paranoid... :P
>>>
>> Maybe, but when considering security paranoia is the name of the game.
>
> Well, as I understand it, if they don't physically have your card,  
> knowing your PIN isn't much help anyway...

Um yes, but if I've only a small amount of shopping that results in a  
quick transaction then I am now following you out of the store. So I just  
bop you over the head, nick your wallet, and head to the nearest ATM.

That's not to mention the cloning devices that can be affixed to the front  
of readers etc.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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