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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: My Career as a School Teacher
Date: 26 Mar 2008 23:51:44
Message: <47eb27e0$1@news.povray.org>
I expect this decision comes as a great relief to you.

I lasted just four days tutoring in the "No child left behind" effort.

Personally, I've never looked back.


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: My Career as a School Teacher
Date: 27 Mar 2008 02:09:26
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John,

What you describe sounds exactly like the same problems my mother faces, 
and she's been teaching for years.  You're definitely not alone in 
wondering how to "solve" the problem of students' behavior, or in being 
persecuted by your own management.

After all that, I hope that you're happier in whatever you decide to do now.

-- 
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: My Career as a School Teacher
Date: 28 Mar 2008 07:24:40
Message: <47ece388$1@news.povray.org>
John VanSickle wrote:

> 
> It turned out that there are a lot of things that new teachers need to 
> know that I didn't learn until after months on the job.
> 

Don't know what grades you taught, but teaching is one of those jobs 
that's very hard, and is getting more and more difficult every day. My 
wife is a teacher, and I admire her for what she does. I don't have the 
patience to be a school teacher, and I have very little tolerance for 
bad behavior and general disrespect, I suspect I would definitely not be 
suited for the job.

Good luck with whatever it is you've decided to move to.


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: My Career as a School Teacher
Date: 28 Mar 2008 07:29:27
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Jim Henderson wrote:

> 
> I dunno, I think the teachers' unions would have a problem with that 
> here...
> 

They're free to do that here (no union) But, yes. Good coaches get cushy 
jobs, and get to teach such things as math and science.

Ever had a biology class taught by a football coach? >shudder<


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: My Career as a School Teacher
Date: 28 Mar 2008 07:34:26
Message: <47ece5d2$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Charter wrote:

> I lasted just four days tutoring in the "No child left behind" effort.
> 
> Personally, I've never looked back.

Hmmm. 'No child left behind' My wife was going on about all of the 
paperwork she was required to file due to this act. I jokingly called it 
the 'No Piece of Paper Left Behind' act.

She was telling me yesterday, that by some year (I think 4 years from 
now, 2012) all students must pass standardized testing, or teachers 
could lose their jobs. I replied by stating that it was asinine to think 
that the teacher's performance should be judged by the student's 
performance on a test. There are MANY more factors that go into the 
performance of a child in addition to the teacher. You can't help those 
who are not willing to be helped. Parents who refuse to be involved in 
their child's education and well being are far more detrimental to that 
child's ability to learn than a teacher who gave her best effort in the 
classroom.


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: My Career as a School Teacher
Date: 28 Mar 2008 08:46:33
Message: <47ecf6b9$1@news.povray.org>

> Don't know what grades you taught, but teaching is one of those jobs 
> that's very hard, and is getting more and more difficult every day. My 
> wife is a teacher, and I admire her for what she does. I don't have the 
> patience to be a school teacher, and I have very little tolerance for 
> bad behavior and general disrespect, I suspect I would definitely not be 
> suited for the job.

I know somebody who is teaching English as a second language in South 
Korea. To 5-year-old kids. How much patience does *that* need...


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: My Career as a School Teacher
Date: 28 Mar 2008 09:06:41
Message: <47ecfb71$1@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> could lose their jobs. I replied by stating that it was asinine to think 
> that the teacher's performance should be judged by the student's 
> performance on a test.

The problem, of course, is that many teachers' performance is not being 
judged AT ALL.  So, how DO you judge their performance, if not by 
testing their students?

BTW, I was under the impression that teachers would be graded by the 
aggregate results of their students; not that they would be fired for a 
single student failing.

-- 
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com


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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: My Career as a School Teacher
Date: 28 Mar 2008 09:32:18
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Wow.  How old are the students?

These are ninth grade.  The youngest turned 14 this past December (he 
skipped a grade in elementary school), and the oldest turned 17 this 
month (flunked at least one grade).

Regards,
John


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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: My Career as a School Teacher
Date: 28 Mar 2008 09:35:21
Message: <47ed0229$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> John,
> 
> What you describe sounds exactly like the same problems my mother faces, 
> and she's been teaching for years.  You're definitely not alone in 
> wondering how to "solve" the problem of students' behavior, or in being 
> persecuted by your own management.

I have been trying to think of why the half-cocked complaints of parents 
got action, and the fully-informed things I said fell on deaf ears.  The 
explanation that is most likely is that this administrator feels safe 
ignoring me because I can't get him fired, but does not feel safe 
ignoring parents.

Regards,
John


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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: My Career as a School Teacher
Date: 28 Mar 2008 09:37:47
Message: <47ed02bb@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

>> Don't know what grades you taught, but teaching is one of those jobs 
>> that's very hard, and is getting more and more difficult every day. My 
>> wife is a teacher, and I admire her for what she does. I don't have 
>> the patience to be a school teacher, and I have very little tolerance 
>> for bad behavior and general disrespect, I suspect I would definitely 
>> not be suited for the job.
> 
> I know somebody who is teaching English as a second language in South 
> Korea. To 5-year-old kids. How much patience does *that* need...

Actually, 5-year-olds are fairly easy to handle, especially on this 
subject.  Children that age are very adept at learning new languages, 
and you can turn most of the learning into a game.

Regards,
John


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