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From: St 
Subject: Re: xkcd
Date: 14 Mar 2008 14:28:39
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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message 
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> Warp wrote:
>>   The "I see dumb people" reminded me of a sign I once saw:
>
> One at my dad's auto garage:
>
> Repairs:
>   $5 an hour
>   If you watch: $10
>   If you help: $20
>   If you already tried to fix it: $50

    Good one.  :)  I might make that one up in PoV-Ray as a poster for my 
workshop. You'd be surprised at how many of the 'I am man' variety of humans 
try to fix their gold chain with lead solder! Eeew, not good.  ;)

    ~Steve~



>
> -- 
>   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
>     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
>          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
>     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: xkcd
Date: 14 Mar 2008 14:32:23
Message: <vkklt3h2okmhbbh9ss1g24s4vj2c5uutqv@4ax.com>
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:28:36 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:

>You'd be surprised at how many of the 'I am man' variety of humans 
>try to fix their gold chain with lead solder! Eeew, not good.  ;)

Super Glue Rules :)

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: xkcd
Date: 14 Mar 2008 14:35:05
Message: <47dad369$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:

> Super Glue Rules :)

Super Glue Rule #1: Don't.

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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: St 
Subject: Re: xkcd
Date: 14 Mar 2008 15:01:53
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"Stephen" <mcavoyATaolDOTcon> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:28:36 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>
>>You'd be surprised at how many of the 'I am man' variety of humans
>>try to fix their gold chain with lead solder! Eeew, not good.  ;)
>
> Super Glue Rules :)

   Heh, yes, that would work without damaging the chain, but not for long as 
superglue is one of those glues that can 'snap' out of its hold, ie., when 
superglue  sets, it sets as a shiny surface against the item and once that 
seal breaks, well you're back to square one...

    Using lead solder (or it's probably more tin now instead of lead, but it 
does the same thing), on gold or silver though, is not good because both of 
these non-ferrous metals (and probably others too), will literally soak up 
the lead solder like a sponge, and then if you try to fix the break whilst 
the lead solder is still there, the whole damaged area will melt way too 
easily into a blob. The only answer is to take the offending links out. But 
yes, I've seen *many* bodge jobs in my time.

    ~Steve~



>
> Regards
> Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: xkcd
Date: 14 Mar 2008 15:17:37
Message: <5anlt3prsdi1508khdqe0smr99q57gutvm@4ax.com>
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:35:11 +0000, Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>
>> Super Glue Rules :)
>
>Super Glue Rule #1: Don't.

I find that impact adhesive if used properly is great. Not for chains of course
:)

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: xkcd
Date: 14 Mar 2008 15:20:44
Message: <ienlt3h4lm4abjnrqea70n2tfi7sck5ps3@4ax.com>
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:01:39 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:

>
>   Heh, yes, that would work without damaging the chain, but not for long as 
>superglue is one of those glues that can 'snap' out of its hold, ie., when 
>superglue  sets, it sets as a shiny surface against the item and once that 
>seal breaks, well you're back to square one...
>
Super glue is good for pulling strain but hopeless for anything else.
What about silver solder, other than the colour, of course? 

>    Using lead solder (or it's probably more tin now instead of lead, but it 
>does the same thing), on gold or silver though, is not good because both of 
>these non-ferrous metals (and probably others too), will literally soak up 
>the lead solder like a sponge, and then if you try to fix the break whilst 
>the lead solder is still there, the whole damaged area will melt way too 
>easily into a blob. The only answer is to take the offending links out. 

>But yes, I've seen *many* bodge jobs in my time.

I bet you have!

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: xkcd
Date: 14 Mar 2008 16:06:51
Message: <47dae8eb@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:

> I find that impact adhesive if used properly is great. Not for chains of course
> :)

Impact... adhesive...?

Is this a reference to the tendency of the human face to adhere to any 
object it happens to strike at more than 25 m/s?

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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: St 
Subject: Re: xkcd
Date: 14 Mar 2008 16:18:31
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"Stephen" <mcavoyATaolDOTcon> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:01:39 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>
>>
>>   Heh, yes, that would work without damaging the chain, but not for long 
>> as
>>superglue is one of those glues that can 'snap' out of its hold, ie., when
>>superglue  sets, it sets as a shiny surface against the item and once that
>>seal breaks, well you're back to square one...
>>
> Super glue is good for pulling strain but hopeless for anything else.
> What about silver solder, other than the colour, of course?

     Oh, hallmark grade silver solder is fine for gold, but as you say, 
apart from the colour. It's the same the other way around. But if you mean 
the inappropriately named 'silver solder' that still contains a lower 
melting point metal, (like on this page: 
http://www.acehardwaresuperstore.com/flotemp-leadfree-electrical-rosin-core-solder-p-8310.html?ref=42),




the electricians 'silver solder' is melting, it will find itself a place to 
hide in every cavity that it can, and especially if it's well fluxed.

>>But yes, I've seen *many* bodge jobs in my time.
>
> I bet you have!

   LOL! The worst one I've experienced was when I had to repair a hinge on a 
nice 18ct 'Hunter' pocket watch. The man was just plain stupid trying to 
reseat ripped hinge components with lead solder. It was a nightmare trying 
to fix a big dollar pocket watch case, but I managed it in the end by 
carefully burring the guilty solder away, and then replacing the parts. I 
certainly don't want that type of repair again!  :)

    ~Steve~



>
> Regards
> Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: xkcd
Date: 15 Mar 2008 04:30:34
Message: <ce4nt3htbhvs3300k40hr89flrcg13u98i@4ax.com>
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:06:56 +0000, Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>
>> I find that impact adhesive if used properly is great. Not for chains of course
>> :)
>
>Impact... adhesive...?

Wiki calls them Contact adhesives; Evo-Stick, Bostik, UHU etc.

>Is this a reference to the tendency of the human face to adhere to any 
>object it happens to strike at more than 25 m/s?

LOL

Regards
	Stephen


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From: scott
Subject: Re: xkcd
Date: 17 Mar 2008 10:52:43
Message: <47de93cb$1@news.povray.org>
>> Super Glue Rules :)
>
> Super Glue Rule #1: Don't.

Especially if you are using the one with black die in it so you can see what 
bits you glued.  It also shows exactly where you spilt any.  For ever.


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