> Gilles Tran wrote:
> 
>> Here you go: an image made using 15000 layers.
> 
> GAH!
> 
> Why would you...? no, HOW would you...? damn, 2 MONTHS?! An image file 
> that's more than 1 GB in size? How the hell do you edit it? What the... 
> I think I need to sit down.
> 

Apparently there aren't really 15000 at a time (that would need some 
terabytes of RAM). He used separate image *files*, each with some 
hundred layers, then put those together.

Also, the 1GB file is the final bitmap (probably compressed). The 
photoshop file is probably *many* gigabytes, to keep all the layers 
independent.

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> damn, 2 MONTHS?!

Uh, no. Where did you read that? It says eleven months.

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47cc1c7a$1@news.povray.org...

> Other than the strange personal fun of the author, I can't see any valid
> reason to do that kind of work using that kind of technique.  Why give up
> the flexibility of 3D CG, or the simplicity and feel of hand-painting ?

I guess it's more an historical thing. Bert Monroy is a digital art pioneer 
and he's been famous for a couple of decades now for his photorealistic 
work. He's probably one of the first computer artists to have a real 
following. This kind of piece is really a showcase for his 
Photoshop/Illustrator skills (and books, lectures, TV shows etc.).

G.

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> Other than the strange personal fun of the author, I can't see any valid
> reason to do that kind of work using that kind of technique.  Why give up
> the flexibility of 3D CG, or the simplicity and feel of hand-painting ?

To get high on digg?

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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:44:58 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> ...and then I remember that I can't actually draw, and just having
> similar software and hardware to Tim wouldn't magically enable me to be
> a supreme artist like him. And I'm probably too stupid to figure out a
> package like Photoshop anyway.

Nobody becomes an expert overnight.  It takes time and practice.

Jim

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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:39:21 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> And it's not like the GIMP
> comes with a manual. It's not even clear what half the buttons are meant
> to DO...

Tooltips are very helpful.

Jim

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Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> If all of the complex manipulations seen here are really done with 
>> layers... hmm, it must take quite a bit of planning to make sure 
>> everything is in the correct layer and not accidentally paint yourself 
>> into a corner.
> 
>   You wouldn't believe the sheer amount of layers a graphics professional
> uses when creating images. We are talking about hundreds.
>   Every single minuscule thing is usually put into its own layers.
> 
>   Naturally layers can (and should) be named so that you can keep track
> of what is where.

The drawing I'm working on I've got various layers; each reference on 
its own layer, earlier versions still have the original sketch, the 
dolphin is one layer, the mermaid another, two versions of her hair on 
their own layers, the background will be its own layer, I have a few 
masks so one thing can be fully drawn but partially behind another thing 
without being visible through it, if I ever want to add colour, each 
colour will probably be on its own layer...

What really sucks is spending an hour drawing, then realizing you're on 
the wrong layer...!   *sigh*

I use Alias Sketchbook Pro 2 which is relatively feature-spare, but 
because of its simplicity is a lot easier to handle.  I personally 
loathe PhotoShop due to the culture of elitism surrounding it (it WAS 
originally a Mac product), and GIMP was obviously originally for linux; 
complex, unintuitive, and missing some smaller features that you still 
end up using regularly.  I still use PSP 7 for mundane image manipulation.

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Invisible wrote:
> I can easily see that if *I* ever attempted to do something like this, 
> I'd end up putting two things into the same layer and then being 
> completely stumped later on because those things need to be in seperate 
> layers.

Ever heard of Cut & Paste?  Cut an object out of one layer, and paste it 
into a new layer.  IIRC, it even has a "Paste into new layer" option, 
that saves you the step of creating a blank layer.

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:44:58 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> 
>> ...and then I remember that I can't actually draw, and just having
>> similar software and hardware to Tim wouldn't magically enable me to be
>> a supreme artist like him. And I'm probably too stupid to figure out a
>> package like Photoshop anyway.
> 
> Nobody becomes an expert overnight.  It takes time and practice.
> 
> Jim

And in some cases, school.

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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:03:44 -0800, Chambers wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:44:58 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>> 
>>> ...and then I remember that I can't actually draw, and just having
>>> similar software and hardware to Tim wouldn't magically enable me to
>>> be a supreme artist like him. And I'm probably too stupid to figure
>>> out a package like Photoshop anyway.
>> 
>> Nobody becomes an expert overnight.  It takes time and practice.
>> 
>> Jim
> 
> And in some cases, school.

True, very true.

Jim

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