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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: Not again, Bill!
Date: 22 Feb 2008 15:19:40
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"Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote in message
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>
> [Nothing too urgent, just a bunch of antivirus and firewall
applications...]

On that point, can anyone recommed a firewall that does work with Vista? (on
a laptop using a 3G card)
Other than the built-in piece of uselessness, that it...


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Not again, Bill!
Date: 22 Feb 2008 16:33:50
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"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
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> Which means that, in theory, they fixed security holes that AV and
> firewalls use to do low-level system calls, thereby also blocking off a
> lot of viruses/malware in the process.

Antivirus, anti-malware and firewall should be an integral and irreplacable
part of the OS, for any modern OS.


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Not again, Bill!
Date: 22 Feb 2008 16:40:01
Message: <web.47bf40ff3ccbb946f48316a30@news.povray.org>
"somebody" <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> Antivirus, anti-malware and firewall should be an integral and irreplacable
> part of the OS, for any modern OS.

I think much more important is anti-stupid-user protection. :)


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Not again, Bill!
Date: 22 Feb 2008 17:08:27
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somebody <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> Antivirus, anti-malware and firewall should be an integral and irreplacable
> part of the OS, for any modern OS.

  Firewall yes, but as for antivirus and anti-malware the better solution
is to design the OS so that they have hard time working at all.

  OTOH, IMO you should have a choice of those software instead of the OS
forcing something on you.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Not again, Bill!
Date: 22 Feb 2008 18:50:00
Message: <47bf5fa8$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:39:11 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> "somebody" <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
>> Antivirus, anti-malware and firewall should be an integral and
>> irreplacable part of the OS, for any modern OS.
> 
> I think much more important is anti-stupid-user protection. :)

That's easy.  Take the keyboard and mouse away.

Jim


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Not again, Bill!
Date: 22 Feb 2008 19:40:00
Message: <web.47bf6a843ccbb9465676ec960@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:39:11 -0500, nemesis wrote:
>
> > "somebody" <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> >> Antivirus, anti-malware and firewall should be an integral and
> >> irreplacable part of the OS, for any modern OS.
> >
> > I think much more important is anti-stupid-user protection. :)
>
> That's easy.  Take the keyboard and mouse away.

or just install Linux and marvel at them fearing touching it. :)


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Not again, Bill!
Date: 23 Feb 2008 01:11:52
Message: <47bfb928$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:36:20 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:39:11 -0500, nemesis wrote:
>>
>> > "somebody" <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
>> >> Antivirus, anti-malware and firewall should be an integral and
>> >> irreplacable part of the OS, for any modern OS.
>> >
>> > I think much more important is anti-stupid-user protection. :)
>>
>> That's easy.  Take the keyboard and mouse away.
> 
> or just install Linux and marvel at them fearing touching it. :)

That works right up to the point that they realise it's not so scary 
after all....

Jim


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Not again, Bill!
Date: 23 Feb 2008 04:41:15
Message: <47bfea3b@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> > I think much more important is anti-stupid-user protection. :)

> That's easy.  Take the keyboard and mouse away.

  I think taking the mouse away is enough.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Mike the Elder
Subject: Re: Not again, Bill!
Date: 23 Feb 2008 06:40:01
Message: <web.47c004f83ccbb94673e406e60@news.povray.org>
Doctor John <doc### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
....
> 'Nuff said

And now for the key supplementary
list of software that does not function
properly when using Microsoft Vista:

1.)  Microsoft Vista

;-)


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Not again, Bill!
Date: 23 Feb 2008 07:54:55
Message: <47C017B2.2020407@hotmail.com>
Warp wrote:
> somebody <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
>> Antivirus, anti-malware and firewall should be an integral and irreplacable
>> part of the OS, for any modern OS.
> 
>   Firewall yes, but as for antivirus and anti-malware the better solution
> is to design the OS so that they have hard time working at all.

There are those who think that MS windows was designed in such a way 
that everybody has a hard time working with it at all, but I guess that 
is not what you meant.

>   OTOH, IMO you should have a choice of those software instead of the OS
> forcing something on you.
> 

And any solution should be open source, so that we can all verify that 
there are obviously no bugs*. Aside, one of the problems is that it has 
become unclear as to what an OS is. I don't think a text editor is part 
of it, nor is a card game, yet there are companies who try to make us 
think differently. Device drivers are part of an OS, but is a firewall 
part of a device driver? Possibly and perhaps even preferably. Anti 
virus and anti malware have to look at the content of the messages, so I 
agree, not an integral part of an OS. Yet nowadays you can not afford to 
sell one without, but if you can change it afterwards you open the gates 
for anything. Unless it is implemented in such a way that it can not go 
unnoticed. Like in recompiling and installing a new kernel.

* Two ways to write a program:
(1) Make it so simple that there are obviously no errors.
(2) Make it so complicated that there are no obvious errors.
	David Gries


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