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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 06:04:15 -0500, Warp wrote:
> So finally Finland is going down the same route as China.
> Let's see how it escalates in the future.
>
> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/
Finnish_internet_censorship_critic_blacklisted
> http://www.effi.org/julkaisut/tiedotteet/lehdistotiedote-2008-02-12-
en.html
Hmmm, blog much, Warp? <scnr>
Jim
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>> Well, such censorship will never work. Ever heard of "The Onion
>> Router" network?
>> Basically you connect to an Onion-server using an encrypted connection,
>
> What happens if they block the onion-server(s)? Or encrypted traffic? ;-)
Onion is decentralized. You could install your own server, relaying
encrypted traffic from others. I doubt it would be possible for them to
block *all* the onion relays...
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Warp wrote:
> Warp <war### [at] tag povrayorg> wrote:
>> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Finnish_internet_censorship_critic_blacklisted
>> http://www.effi.org/julkaisut/tiedotteet/lehdistotiedote-2008-02-12-en.html
>
> This censorship is actually very questionable legally.
>
> By law, the Finnish police has no authority on declaring something legal
> or illegal. The legality of something has to be decided by a court of law.
So it comes down to whether the courts will hold the police to the law.
Bets?
Regards,
John
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Hymyly wrote:
> Well, such censorship will never work. Ever heard of "The Onion Router" network?
> Basically you connect to an Onion-server using an encrypted connection, and this
> server then forwards your request to the intended site. Everything is completely
> anonymous, untraceable and uncensurable. (And in Firefox you can switch between
> TOR-mode and normal mode with the click of a button.)
First rule of security: Never trust any claim that states something is
untraceable and uncensorable.
Tor completely anonymous?
I hope the following will convince you never to have such sentiments
about *any* system:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/11/12/1194766589522.html
He didn't really try too hard, IIRC (I didn't reread the article).
--
All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.
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anl
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Warp wrote:
> The biggest problem of all: Nobody cares. The end justifies the means.
(Welcome to the US)
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>>>>>>mue### [at] nawazorg<<<<<<
anl
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scott wrote:
>> By law, the Finnish police has no authority on declaring something legal
>> or illegal. The legality of something has to be decided by a court of
>> law.
>
> But they can't do that for every website out there - *some* of the
> decision making needs to be made by the police (or even a computer), not
> a court. In the same way the police (or even some automatic camera)
> decide if someone is driving dangerously or not.
Granted.
But then there should be a procedure by which a citizen can challenge
the blocking (blockage?) of a certain web site, and have that decided by
a committee (which could ultimately be taken to a court of law).
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All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.
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>>>>>>mue### [at] nawazorg<<<<<<
anl
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Warp wrote:
> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Finnish_internet_censorship_critic_blacklisted
"The Finnish police have added Finnish hacker Matti Nikki's website
national child porn filter"
OK, If I were Finnish and if the law is going to do illegal stuff like
this coz is convenient and start dictatorship bull shit, I'd stick to
Judas Priest song: Breaking The Law.
Isn't illegal to say lies about some person's reputation? I think it is.
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And lo on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:06:19 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>
did spake, saying:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:57:52 -0000, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>> And lo on Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:04:15 -0000, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg>
>> did
>> spake, saying:
>>
>>> So finally Finland is going down the same route as China.
>>> Let's see how it escalates in the future.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Finnish_internet_censorship_critic_blacklisted
>>> http://www.effi.org/julkaisut/tiedotteet/lehdistotiedote-2008-02-12-en.html
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7240234.stm
>>
> How will that tie in with "plan to give every child internet access at
> home"
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jan/04/publicservices.uk
Tcch it's the government - they give you something then take it away from
you.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:55:13 -0000, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Finnish_internet_censorship_critic_blacklisted
>>>> http://www.effi.org/julkaisut/tiedotteet/lehdistotiedote-2008-02-12-en.html
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7240234.stm
>>>
>> How will that tie in with "plan to give every child internet access at
>> home"
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jan/04/publicservices.uk
>
>Tcch it's the government - they give you something then take it away from
>you.
And they will expect you to pay for the privilege :)
Regards
Stephen
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And lo on Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:37:53 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysATaolDOTcom>
did spake, saying:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:55:13 -0000, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Finnish_internet_censorship_critic_blacklisted
>>>>> http://www.effi.org/julkaisut/tiedotteet/lehdistotiedote-2008-02-12-en.html
>>>>
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7240234.stm
>>>>
>>> How will that tie in with "plan to give every child internet access at
>>> home"
>>>
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jan/04/publicservices.uk
>>
>> Tcch it's the government - they give you something then take it away
>> from you.
>
> And they will expect you to pay for the privilege :)
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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