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From: John VanSickle
Subject: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 11 Feb 2008 17:43:34
Message: <47b0cf96@news.povray.org>
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Saturday Night through Sunday AM: Installed over a 45K dialup
connection (this took hours).
Sunday evening: Created new project using old code.
Sunday evening: Discovered that VC 2k8 Express doesn't come with the
OpenGL headers or libraries.
Just Now: Remembered that Dev-C++ and OpenWatcom do.
Just Now: Uninstalled MS VC 2008 Express Edition.
Life is good.
Regards,
John
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 11 Feb 2008 18:41:31
Message: <47b0dd2b@news.povray.org>
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John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmail com> wrote:
> Sunday evening: Discovered that VC 2k8 Express doesn't come with the
> OpenGL headers or libraries.
> Just Now: Remembered that Dev-C++ and OpenWatcom do.
> Just Now: Uninstalled MS VC 2008 Express Edition.
I'm sorry to say this, but that sounds kind of stupid.
--
- Warp
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John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Life is good.
Life certainly is good away from monopolies. But in this particular case,
wouldn't it just be a matter of downloading OpenGL headers and libs?
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 11 Feb 2008 21:08:36
Message: <47b0ffa4@news.povray.org>
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nemesis wrote:
> wouldn't it just be a matter of downloading OpenGL headers and libs?
Presumedly, since the other compilers already work with OpenGL, he
doesn't even need to download them, yes?
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
On what day did God create the body thetans?
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From: Halbert
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 11 Feb 2008 21:19:59
Message: <47b1024f@news.povray.org>
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While I agree that MSVC++ *should* include OpenGL, could you not have
installed the headers and libraries yourself?
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > wouldn't it just be a matter of downloading OpenGL headers and libs?
>
> Presumedly, since the other compilers already work with OpenGL, he
> doesn't even need to download them, yes?
he said he lost several hours on a dialup connection to download VSX in the
first place. And just wiped it out before trying because would have to
download an additional, what, 2MB? I'm not a pro M$ guy, you know. But it
seems it was a complete waste of time.
Or, if he already had the other tools available, couldn't he just point VSX to
the available headers and libs via paths or environment variables or something?
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 11 Feb 2008 23:39:14
Message: <47b122f2$1@news.povray.org>
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Halbert wrote:
> While I agree that MSVC++ *should* include OpenGL,
Why? It's freely available elsewhere. Why should MS include free
software and pay for the bandwidth for everyone to download it when many
(most) people won't want it, given that it's presumedly simply a matter
of downloading it from the authors somewhere?
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
On what day did God create the body thetans?
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Halbert wrote:
> > While I agree that MSVC++ *should* include OpenGL,
>
> Why? It's freely available elsewhere. Why should MS include free
> software and pay for the bandwidth for everyone to download it when many
> (most) people won't want it, given that it's presumedly simply a matter
> of downloading it from the authors somewhere?
yeah, and besides it would work against M$ policy of pushing their own standards
(DirectX) rather than work together with the rest of the industry in
industry-strength standards... why give ideas to developers by including
foreign tech?...
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From: stbenge
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 00:56:33
Message: <47b13511@news.povray.org>
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Warp wrote:
> John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Sunday evening: Discovered that VC 2k8 Express doesn't come with the
>> OpenGL headers or libraries.
>
>> Just Now: Remembered that Dev-C++ and OpenWatcom do.
>
>> Just Now: Uninstalled MS VC 2008 Express Edition.
>
> I'm sorry to say this, but that sounds kind of stupid.
I'm inclined to think that, at the very least, such a quick decision was
perhaps a little too hasty. I mean, it's only an eventuality that the
time will arise in which Dev-C++ or some other compiler will not meet
the stringent standards demanded by xxx-library. VC is no small
download, not for those of us still struggling with dialup (I get 24Kpbs
here :(...)
Sam
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: My Experience with Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition
Date: 12 Feb 2008 01:05:35
Message: <47b1372f$1@news.povray.org>
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nemesis wrote:
> yeah, and besides it would work against M$ policy of pushing their own standards
> (DirectX) rather than work together with the rest of the industry
Yep. Welcome to for-profit software companies.
Name two other for-profit software companies that encourage you to use
the competitors' software when you try out theirs for free?
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
On what day did God create the body thetans?
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