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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Strange PC behaviour
Date: 9 Feb 2008 20:33:15
Message: <47ae545b$1@news.povray.org>
My old Pentium IV had started having problems powering on. Pressing the 
power button caused a mere flash on the "HDD" and "On" LEDs. Workaround: 
unplugging, waiting a few seconds, plugging back, pressing On again. 
Sometimes twice, sometimes three times, sometimes took up to ten tries 
until it finally decided to start. Then one day I got tired of trying 
and it refused to start.

Solution was a power supply replacement.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Strange PC behaviour
Date: 10 Feb 2008 03:37:23
Message: <dsdtq3l58ifktls3thj3bb65p0u1sjn444@4ax.com>
On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:16:55 +0200, "Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

>
>I was hoping maybe some-one had had the same symptoms might be able to 
>diagnose the problem more quickly. :)

Certainly worth trying, you never know :)

But you know this group. Never solve a person's problems but help them to solve
them, themself. :)
It sounds to me you need hands on help.

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Strange PC behaviour
Date: 10 Feb 2008 04:23:52
Message: <47aec2a8@news.povray.org>
John VanSickle wrote:
>> I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I 
>> can do?
>>
>> I have a Athlon XP 2400 Socket A using the onboard 128Mb SiS graphics 
>> card and a 250W power supply.
> 
> If an OS install crashes where before it did not, you have a hardware 
> problem.  Since the symptoms are relived by a successful OS install, the 
> problem involves a gradual corruption of the hard drive's contents, 
> which could be caused by bad memory, bad CPU, or a bad MB.

Or power supply, or the electronics of the HDD. Maybe was the power 
supply and it damaged other components in the PC since is delivering 
voltages and amperages out of range, hence the scaling malfunctioning. 
Maybe is one or more fans in the PC(including the one(s) in the power 
supply), are they running ok?

> We can't really troubleshoot your problem through newsgroup messages, so 
> you'll have to take it to a technician.
> 
> Regards,
> John

Exactly my thoughts, if you're not one or have experience 
troubleshooting PC problems do as John said and take it to a technician.
You need a careful diagnose by a qualified person to trouble shoot every 
  problem.


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: addition
Date: 10 Feb 2008 04:27:07
Message: <47aec36b@news.povray.org>
Saul Luizaga wrote:
Most if not all the suggestions everyone did in this thread I think they 
are good too.


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From: Nekar
Subject: Re: Strange PC behaviour
Date: 10 Feb 2008 09:40:11
Message: <47af0ccb@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:47ad9148$1@news.povray.org...
> Nekar Xenos wrote:
> > It all started with blackouts. No, it wasn't the power company. The PC
would
> > spontaneously reset itself.
>
> Which OS?

Windows XP SP2, WinXP 2002, Fedora Core 6 installation.
>
> By default, Windows XP doesn't display the Blue Screen of Death, it just
> instantly reboots.
>
> > It became more and more frequent. then it
> > wouldn't start up again unless I unplugged the power cable.
>
> I've seen that a few times. It's *usually* a motherboard fault. (Not
> always.)
>
> > Soon the PC
> > started crashing while Windows was loading.. . and after that all I
could
> > get was CMOS. and then I couldn't even get the PC switched on.... After
> > removing the CMOS battery for a couple of minutes I could switch on the
PC
> > again.
>
> Yeah, sounds like a motherboard fault of some kind. Diagnosing exactly
> what is going to be lots of fun...
>

Looks like it is the feared motherboard now.  :(

> > With Windows badly damaged I had to reformat the HDD and reinstall
> > Windows a couple of times. Every time I install Windows it works fine
for a
> > while and then starts crashing untill I can't start the PC up anymore.
Last
> > night I tried installing Linux and it crashed with 20minutes of install
> > remaining.
>
> Have you tried running a memory test? There's a small possibility that
> might be the cause - although I doubt it - but if it is, that's easier
> to fix than replacing the whole motherboard.
>
Memory test was fine every time...

> > I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I can
do?
>
> Replace the motherboard with something that's compatible with your
> existing stuff - if you can find such a board...
>

And if I can find one, I can't be sure it's in a good condition...
:(

-Nekar


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From: Nekar
Subject: Re: Strange PC behaviour
Date: 10 Feb 2008 09:40:15
Message: <47af0ccf@news.povray.org>
"Eero Ahonen" <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote in message
news:47ad8fc7$1@news.povray.org...
> Nekar Xenos wrote:
> >
> > I can't afford a new PC at the moment at all, so is there anything I can
do?
>
> Check the capacitors at the motherboard and replace the faulty ones.
>
> This one's OK:
>
http://www.edu.helsinki.fi/malu/kirjasto/mbl/sahko/elektrolyyttikonnsaattori
n_purku.gif
>
> and this one is not:
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/whurd/Bad.jpg

Most of them look like the last one....  :(

At least they're not leaking ;S

>
> See the top - at the last picture it's "growing". They also can even leak:
> http://www.asti-usa.com/support/appnotes/65.html (pictures at the end of
> the document)
>
> > I have a Athlon XP 2400 Socket A using the onboard 128Mb SiS graphics
card
> > and a 250W power supply.
>
> Sounds like the timing (motherboard's age) could hit the end of the
> latest worst season of capacitors.
>
Dust to dust....  :;(

-Nekar


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Strange PC behaviour
Date: 10 Feb 2008 10:20:59
Message: <47af165b$1@news.povray.org>
Nekar escribió:
> "Eero Ahonen" <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote in message
> news:47ad8fc7$1@news.povray.org...
>> This one's OK:
>>
> http://www.edu.helsinki.fi/malu/kirjasto/mbl/sahko/elektrolyyttikonnsaattori
> n_purku.gif
>> and this one is not:
>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/whurd/Bad.jpg
> 
> Most of them look like the last one....  :(

Most?? Ouch...


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Strange PC behaviour
Date: 10 Feb 2008 14:28:56
Message: <47af5078$1@news.povray.org>
Nekar wrote:
>> and this one is not:
>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/whurd/Bad.jpg
> 
> Most of them look like the last one....  :(
> 
> At least they're not leaking ;S
> 

Bingo! If you have any friends who has electronic as a hobby, now is a
good time to ask for some help ;). Capacitors are usually pretty cheap
(whole set should cost less than half of a motherboard) and they are
actually one of the easiest parts to change, so 'bout anyone with even
slight experience of electronics should be able to do the job.

> 
> -Nekar
> 

-- 
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
   http://www.zbxt.net
      aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Strange PC behaviour
Date: 10 Feb 2008 14:46:09
Message: <47af5481$1@news.povray.org>
Eero Ahonen wrote:

> Bingo! If you have any friends who has electronic as a hobby, now is a
> good time to ask for some help ;). Capacitors are usually pretty cheap
> (whole set should cost less than half of a motherboard) and they are
> actually one of the easiest parts to change, so 'bout anyone with even
> slight experience of electronics should be able to do the job.

Uh... on a normal circuit board, sure. But aren't motherboard usually 
multi-layered?

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: pan
Subject: Re: Strange PC behaviour
Date: 10 Feb 2008 14:49:41
Message: <47af5555$1@news.povray.org>
"Nekar Xenos" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message 
news:47ad5bd1@news.povray.org...
> I have a Athlon XP 2400 Socket A using the onboard 128Mb SiS 
> graphics card and a 250W power supply.
>
Power supply. Get a new one (I reccomend Sparkle brand) of at
least 300W.
This is an easy install you can do yourself.


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