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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:18:44 -0600, Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieee org> wrote:
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> I'm not sure to what extent Tim was joking/exaggerating,
Nor I
> but what seems trivial to you may not be so.
Yeah, go on.
>It has often been argued that language and
>choice of words does often dictate people's perceptions, and that at
>times changing them has changed those perceptions over a matter of
>decades.
You have a point.
>I haven't studied it in detail,
Go on.
> but I'm not sure the argument
>is without merit. It may well be that the very argument about the choice
>of words makes more people aware of the issues and that's what effects
>change - not the actual change in wording.
>
> Either way, seems like a win/win situation.
Or a win/lose if you must speak American.
>As I said, I see no harm in
>either adding a third person pronoun that is gender neutral (has the
>shift from using "humanity" instead of "mankind", or "businessperson"
>instead of "businessman" damaged anything?), or allowing both he and she
>to be used as a gender neutral pronoun of someone whose gender is not
>specified.
I can't say that I agree. Action not words and fine words butter no parsnips.
> I've seen "she" used frequently by people (some were women, and then I
>stopped bothering to check) in this regard. I don't know if it was
>naturally or with this in mind, but it didn't at all seem awkward except
>the first two times or so.
>
> Languages are dynamic, and I'm rarely sympathetic to those who want to
>keep them static for the sake of being static.
Nor I.
Regards
Stephen
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:17:12 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Or hanging jaws nearly hit the floor. "Carol" was A GUY -- even though
> he sounded like a Powerpuff girl -- and we had all been calling him
> "Ma'am" all along. The whole company laughed at this for almost a week.
First rule of working with international customers: Never, ever, EVER
assume gender based on a name.
My mom has a friend who's husband (now-deceased) was also named Carol.
As is my mom.
Jim
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And lo on Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:17:12 -0000, Nicolas Alvarez
<nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> did spake, saying:
>> Actually, where it bugs me is in customer service. You never use
>> he/she, but you use sir, mam, miss, mrs, etc., and its too damn easy
>> when tired and/or distracted to mess that up. Something like "ker"
>> which was used in C.J. Cherryh's Chanur series as a kind of general
>> honorific would be a whole hell of a lot less a) embarassing, b)
>> insulting to people that are offended easy, and c) likely to be
>> misused. So, yeah, I would vote for some set of gender neutral words
>> too.
I saw an elderly gentleman try to catch the attention of a store clerk
with "Young lady" before *he* turned around to face him. Didn't quite get
it admittedly the guy had a long pony-tail (ditto), but he was moving
about putting things on shelves which the elderly gent could see? Meh.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:24:36 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
> I saw an elderly gentleman try to catch the attention of a store clerk
> with "Young lady" before *he* turned around to face him
I get that every once in a while; usually on airplanes. "Anything to
drink, Ma'am?" - he he he he he.
Jim
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Phil Cook wrote:
> I saw an elderly gentleman try to catch the attention of a store clerk
> with "Young lady" before *he* turned around to face him.
<Python> SOrry, I have a cold. </Python>
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
On what day did God create the body thetans?
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And lo on Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:14:07 -0000, Jim Henderson
<nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:24:36 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> I saw an elderly gentleman try to catch the attention of a store clerk
>> with "Young lady" before *he* turned around to face him
>
> I get that every once in a while; usually on airplanes. "Anything to
> drink, Ma'am?" - he he he he he.
Never happened to me despite the hair, I must naturally exude maleness :-P
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Darren New wrote:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> I saw an elderly gentleman try to catch the attention of a store clerk
>> with "Young lady" before *he* turned around to face him.
>
> <Python> SOrry, I have a cold. </Python>
Haha! Beautiful plumage.
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:59:16 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:14:07 -0000, Jim Henderson
> <nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:
>
>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:24:36 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>>
>>> I saw an elderly gentleman try to catch the attention of a store clerk
>>> with "Young lady" before *he* turned around to face him
>>
>> I get that every once in a while; usually on airplanes. "Anything to
>> drink, Ma'am?" - he he he he he.
>
> Never happened to me despite the hair, I must naturally exude maleness
> :-P
:-P indeed. ;-)
Jim
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On 12 Feb 2008 17:15:00 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:59:16 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>
>>> I get that every once in a while; usually on airplanes. "Anything to
>>> drink, Ma'am?" - he he he he he.
>>
>> Never happened to me despite the hair, I must naturally exude maleness
>> :-P
>
>:-P indeed. ;-)
>
Uber-male :)
I got it all the time when I was young. But then I was pretty with my long hair
and all. :)
Regards
Stephen
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:34:48 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 12 Feb 2008 17:15:00 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:59:16 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:
>>
>>>> I get that every once in a while; usually on airplanes. "Anything to
>>>> drink, Ma'am?" - he he he he he.
>>>
>>> Never happened to me despite the hair, I must naturally exude maleness
>>> :-P
>>
>>:-P indeed. ;-)
>>
>>
> Uber-male :)
> I got it all the time when I was young. But then I was pretty with my
> long hair and all. :)
I'm told that as well, but the one who tells me is fairly biased. :-)
Jim
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