Darren New nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2008/01/23 22:39:
> Is there free will in Heaven?
> 
> 
> (FWIW, I think either answer leads to some obvious problems. :-)
> 
In whitch ones of the thousands of heavens?
Just remember that some heavens for somes are hells for some others...

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Darren New wrote:
> Is there free will in Heaven?
> 
> 
> (FWIW, I think either answer leads to some obvious problems. :-)
> 
The question is based on a false assumption. Logic dictates that 
everything follows from a false assumption so the answer is probably yes
and that is also the answer to the question whether there isn't free 
will in heaven.

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andrel wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Is there free will in Heaven?
>>
>>
>> (FWIW, I think either answer leads to some obvious problems. :-)
>>
> The question is based on a false assumption.

And what false assumption do you think I have made?  (Well, I mean, 
other than the obvious one.)

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andrel wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Is there free will in Heaven?
>>
>>
>> (FWIW, I think either answer leads to some obvious problems. :-)
>>
> The question is based on a false assumption. Logic dictates that 
> everything follows from a false assumption so the answer is probably yes

Incidentally, if what you mean is "there is no Heaven", then the correct 
answer to the question is "Mu" - the Zen answer that unasks the 
question. :-)

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In article <47993a7b$1@news.povray.org>, dne### [at] sanrrcom says...
> andrel wrote:
> > Darren New wrote:
> >> Is there free will in Heaven?
> >>
> >>
> >> (FWIW, I think either answer leads to some obvious problems. :-)
> >>
> > The question is based on a false assumption. Logic dictates that 
> > everything follows from a false assumption so the answer is probably ye
s
> 
> Incidentally, if what you mean is "there is no Heaven", then the correct
 
> answer to the question is "Mu" - the Zen answer that unasks the 
> question. :-)
> 
"False" in this instance refers to lack of foundation. If your roof 
caves in, insisting that you know it was from termites is a false 
assumption, if you have no proof that termites where in it. Presuming 
you can prove they where, you still have to prove that they where the 
main cause, which might be kind of hard if it turned out that your roof 
was made of metal (which would be the equivalent of heaven not existing 
in the first place). But, the assumption is false, being unfounded on 
fact, whether or not there *may* be facts to support it, until such 
facts are made evident, or other facts are presented that invalidate the 
premise.

That there is no evidence, logical or otherwise, to propose that the 
statement has any validity, especial as apposed to like thousands of 
other things people have *called* heaven (or which, like dragons, are 
quite literally *not* the same thing in China and Europe, but get lumped 
together under one label, due to what can, sometimes, be trivial 
similarities), doesn't help it being provably/testably true either, 
never mind a valid premise, as above, to begin with.

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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> In article <47993a7b$1@news.povray.org>, dne### [at] sanrrcom says...
>> andrel wrote:
>>> Darren New wrote:
>>>> Is there free will in Heaven?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (FWIW, I think either answer leads to some obvious problems. :-)
>>>>
>>> The question is based on a false assumption. Logic dictates that 
>>> everything follows from a false assumption so the answer is probably yes
>> Incidentally, if what you mean is "there is no Heaven", then the correct 
>> answer to the question is "Mu" - the Zen answer that unasks the 
>> question. :-)
>>
> "False" in this instance refers to lack of foundation.

Lack of foundation for what? It was a question.

> But, the assumption is false, being unfounded on fact, 

Which assumption?

> That there is no evidence, logical or otherwise, to propose that the 
> statement has any validity, 

Which statement? It's a question.

> doesn't help it being provably/testably true either, 
> never mind a valid premise, as above, to begin with.

Doesn't help what being testably true?

I fear on this one your ranting is taking off before anyone even says 
anything.  Of course the question assumes the existence of free will 
somewhere, and of heaven.  The point of the question is to investigate 
those assumptions, in case you hadn't noticed.  Just ranting without 
reference to the question isn't very interesting.

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     at the end and adjust the release date.

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Darren New wrote:
> Is there free will in Heaven?

You're asking the wrong question. The right one would be is there /only/
  free will in Heaven.

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And lo on Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:58:31 -0000, nemesis  
<nam### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:

> I for one find it quite boring that free will just means choosing to  
> side with God or to side with the Devil.

"...the boredom you got in Heaven was almost as bad as the excitement you  
got in Hell."

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And lo on Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:39:38 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake, saying:

> Is there free will in Heaven?
>
>
> (FWIW, I think either answer leads to some obvious problems. :-)

Sure, except as soon as you exercise it in a way contrary to the ruling  
authorities you'll be kicked out. It's like 1984 with harps and clouds.

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Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:58:31 -0000, nemesis 
> <nam### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:
> 
>> I for one find it quite boring that free will just means choosing to 
>> side with God or to side with the Devil.
> 
> "...the boredom you got in Heaven was almost as bad as the excitement 
> you got in Hell."

Ha! One of my favourites. Hysterical *and* gripping. :-)

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