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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: reverse
Date: 17 Jan 2008 04:13:52
Message: <478f1c50$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> While we're on the subject... If you wanted to, how hard is it to 
>> connect a PC to a normal TV? (Obviously, PCs normally run at vastly 
>> different scanrates and lack the propper connectors...)
> 
> If you have a DVI output and a modern TV with HDMI input, then you 
> simply buy the correct cable which is about 10 quid.  DVI and HDMI are 
> electrically the same, just different connectors (plus HDMI can include 
> digital audio).

Nobody I know of has a TV this new. However, my latest video card does 
have DVI output. (Fortunately it comes with a DVI to VGA adaptor, so I 
can still plug it in to my monitor and get a picture...)

Actually, for that matter, my dad can use DVI or VGA with his PC, and 
there doesn't appear to be a significant difference...

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: reverse
Date: 17 Jan 2008 04:28:36
Message: <op.t42hwp00c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:09:08 -0000, Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull>  
did spake, saying:

>> Yeah, often times there is a key combination to get it turned on.
>
> But usually it's clearly marked.

Yeah IIRC a picture of two squares representing monitors. Fine if  
understand that. Though saying that someone I know has a laptop with an  
unmarked Bluetooth toggle which he has to remember.

> And, usually, you can do it from the video driver settings too...

Provided you know how to get into the video driver settings.

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: reverse
Date: 17 Jan 2008 04:37:52
Message: <478f21f0$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:

>> And, usually, you can do it from the video driver settings too...
> 
> Provided you know how to get into the video driver settings.

Most laptops I've seen have a big icon in the system tray that won't go 
away. When you click it, it gives you a menu that lets you instantly 
change resolution, colour depth, etc., without going through the whole 
settings dialog. Usually switching output is one of the very big, 
unmissable options.

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: reverse
Date: 17 Jan 2008 07:58:15
Message: <op.t42rl9ugc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:40:37 -0000, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> did  
spake, saying:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> I have to disagree with Warp - I don't believe this is not an NTSC vs.
>> PAL issue
>
>   I didn't mean to say it's an NTSC vs PAL issue, but that the NTSC/PAL
> standards suck for high-definition images.

Good job they don't use them for true-HD broadcasts then.

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From: scott
Subject: Re: reverse
Date: 17 Jan 2008 08:07:45
Message: <478f5321$1@news.povray.org>
> (My dad claims his TV has a VGA input socket. But then, I suppose it is an 
> LCD, so multiple scanrates probably isn't an issue...)

Well actually an LCD only uses 1 or 2 scanrates (usually 50 and/or 60 Hz), 
the difference is that an LCD will include sophisticated DSP functionality 
and a frame-buffer anyway, so scan-rate conversion comes almost for free.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: reverse
Date: 17 Jan 2008 08:40:03
Message: <478f5ab3$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> (My dad claims his TV has a VGA input socket. But then, I suppose it 
>> is an LCD, so multiple scanrates probably isn't an issue...)
> 
> Well actually an LCD only uses 1 or 2 scanrates (usually 50 and/or 60 
> Hz),


Well, that's true...

> the difference is that an LCD will include sophisticated DSP 
> functionality and a frame-buffer anyway, so scan-rate conversion comes 
> almost for free.

...which is the part I was getting at.

BTW, is it true that an LCD is matrix addressible? (i.e., all the pixels 
can be changed exactly simultaneously.)

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From: scott
Subject: Re: reverse
Date: 17 Jan 2008 09:04:27
Message: <478f606b$1@news.povray.org>
> BTW, is it true that an LCD is matrix addressible? (i.e., all the pixels 
> can be changed exactly simultaneously.)

You can only change a line at a time.  You charge up all the "column" wires 
to what voltage you want, then power up the row line which opens all the 
transistors inside every sub-pixel on that row, hence they all the get the 
voltage you wanted.  You then turn off that row (and hence the transistors 
close) and the sub-pixels remember their voltages until you come round next 
frame.  You can only do this process one row at a time.

So yes, it's matrix addressable, but no you can't change all the pixels 
exactly at the same time.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: reverse
Date: 17 Jan 2008 09:18:58
Message: <478f63d2$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> BTW, is it true that an LCD is matrix addressible? (i.e., all the 
>> pixels can be changed exactly simultaneously.)
> 
> You can only change a line at a time.  You charge up all the "column" 
> wires to what voltage you want, then power up the row line which opens 
> all the transistors inside every sub-pixel on that row, hence they all 
> the get the voltage you wanted.  You then turn off that row (and hence 
> the transistors close) and the sub-pixels remember their voltages until 
> you come round next frame.  You can only do this process one row at a time.
> 
> So yes, it's matrix addressable, but no you can't change all the pixels 
> exactly at the same time.

I see...

For what it's worth, does "TFT" actually mean something? Or is it just a 
marketing term that means "hey, this screen is great!!!1!1 please buy 
me!!1"?

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From: Michael Zier
Subject: Re: reverse
Date: 17 Jan 2008 09:23:15
Message: <478f64d3$1@news.povray.org>
> 
> For what it's worth, does "TFT" actually mean something? Or is it just a
> marketing term that means "hey, this screen is great!!!1!1 please buy
> me!!1"?

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From: scott
Subject: Re: reverse
Date: 17 Jan 2008 09:46:52
Message: <478f6a5c$1@news.povray.org>
> For what it's worth, does "TFT" actually mean something? Or is it just a 
> marketing term that means "hey, this screen is great!!!1!1 please buy 
> me!!1"?

As Michael said, it is the type of transistor that is laid down onto the 
glass in every sub-pixel.  TFT is also called active matrix (ie each 
sub-pixel is "active" because it has some control circuitry).

FWIW the opposite is passive matrix, which is basically a grid of wires, 
with a layer of LC (and no electronics) between the X and Y grid lines. 
Because LC needs above a certain voltage to work (let's say 5V), you can 
apply +4V to each row in turn, and then a voltage between -1 and -5 V to 
each column to set the brightness of just that row.  If you do the frame 
quick enough you can make a steady image, but then you get problems with 
stray charge "spilling over" from one line to the next because there is no 
time for voltages to settle.

There are numerous other problems with this method which makes it only 
suitable for black and white displays or very low resolution colour displays 
(eg low-end mobile phones).  Any monitor or TV is going to be TFT.


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