Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote:
> it's one of the 
> worst movies I have ever seen in my life.

  Then you haven't seen many movies, have you?

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And lo on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:48:24 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> Yeah see Andrew, duh it's obviously an allegory for the life cycle. :-P
>
> In seriousness for a moment...
>
> My sister did media studies at school. Apparently she can no longer  
> actually enjoy a film without considering an in-depth analysis of the  
> plot devices used.
>
> I remember we were watching The Lion King once. [Damn, that film should  
> have been really cool... but somehow isn't.] Simba walks to the top of  
> pride rock, and you see a split-second clip of some water washing away  
> an antilope skull. "That's a representation of the changing equilibrium  
> of good and evil" my sister tells me. "...Oh" I said.

Those wacky Disney animators I can imagine them now...

"Okay so Simba is going to walk to the top of Pride Rock, now we need some  
sort of visual cue to represent the changing equilibrium of good and evil  
- suggestions"
"How about some water washing away an antelope skull?"
"Hmm don't you think that's a bit obvious?"
"Well we are aiming at the 5-10 age bracket"
"True. Okay we'll try that. Now next on the agenda spelling out suggestive  
words in clouds of dust..."

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Phil Cook wrote:
> > Yeah see Andrew, duh it's obviously an allegory for the life cycle. :-P
>
> In seriousness for a moment...

it is:  unknown intelligent race devises a device (monolith) to spread
intelligent life in the galaxy.  One of them ends up on Earth where it
instigates apes to become the dominant life form on the planet.  They
eventually get to a level of sophistication that allows them to travel through
space and reach the moon where the beacon monolith warns the creators that the
new intelligent species are now able to contact.  One of the species come in
contact with the portal monolith and trips over to unknown place where it lives
for the rest of his life.  When of old, at death bed he figures out the purpose
of the monolith, represented as a baby in gestation.

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> [BTW, did you ever watch the "extended" versions of the three LotR 
> films? My God, they make *so* much more sense! Although, to watch all 
> three, you had better have a big bowl of popcorn... it's something 
> absurd like 9 hours in total.]

  A bit over 11, actually. Yes, I have watched all three extended versions
on a row once.

  I own the extended trilogy. It rules.

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Gail Shaw <initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:

> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:477e49fd$1@news.povray.org...

> > Oh, is that what that's supposed to be. (What is this monolith thing,
> > and why is it there?)

> Alien artifact. To kickstart human evolution.

  Intelligent Design! ;)

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And lo on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:50:26 -0000, nemesis  

<nam### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:

> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>> And lo on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:51:34 -0000, nemesis
>> <nam### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:
>>
>> > Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Oh, is *that* why they went there? (And that's where "there" was..
.)
>> >
>> > I think that's pretty obvious, no?  All that space ballet until the
y  

>> get
>> > to the
>> > moon and Dr. Floyd is told of the discovery... then, it cuts to a  

>> manned
>> > mission to Jupiter where the tripulants are actually unaware of the
  

>> real
>> > mission, confided to HAL alone:  to search for the giant monolith n
ear
>> > the
>> > giant planet.  Eventually, the crew's mission conflict with HAL's m
ain
>> > mission
>> > and the AI becomes "paranoid", so to speak.  The shit hits the fans
  

>> and
>> > it's up
>> > to Dave to turn off HAL to save his life.  In the process he discov
ers
>> > the real
>> > purpose and gets to the monolith to know the truth.  The bad acid t
rip
>> > could be
>> > seen as the monolith opening a worm whole and getting Dave closer f
or
>> > inspection
>> > by the creators...
>>
>> I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic
>
> I was not.  I just described the plot.

and you didn't spot all the sudden jumps you described?

>> See the monolith teaches the apes how to build spaceships out of bone
,

I know, really I do.

> Is it so hard to get it from the movie?

You've got to admit it's a long cut-jump.

> I guess some people have trouble with continuity in non-linear plots..
.  

> for
> instance, I showed my ex-wife this strip:
> http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF162-Executive_Decision.jpg
>
> and she had trouble figuring it out...

Bye-bye Earth heh.

>> Meanwhile on a flight to Jupiter the controlling computer goes
>> mad and starts singing "Daisy, Daisy" until the one member of crew wh
o
>> hasn't died from bashing his head against the wall pulls the plug and

>
> that's sarcasm.

As was the bit before it.

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Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote:
> You will be assimilated.

  Should I resist? Or is it futile?

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"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message 
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> And lo on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:48:31 -0000, Gail Shaw sa dot com> 
> <"<initialsurname"@sentech> did spake, saying:
>
>>
>> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message
>> news:op.t4etagikc3xi7v@news.povray.org...
>>> And lo on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:30:29 -0000, Gail Shaw sa dot com>
>>> <"<initialsurname"@sentech> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> > What was confusing about this anyway?
>>>
>>> 'Oh yes despite not having read the book I completely understood what 
>>> the
>>> chimps and the space baby were all about'
>>
>> I did. I read the book after watching the movie. Understood if better 
>> after the book, but the movies didn't leave me going Huh???
>
> Well obviously some of us are more intelligent then others, and by some of 
> us I mean you and by others I mean me :-)
>
>>> Does that make me a heretic if I said I actually prefered Children and
>>> God-Emperor then :-) I just enjoyed the ways they tried to answer some 
>>> of
>>> the paradoxes of prediction and offered some possible solutions.
>>
>> Not at all. I ran out of patience on the 3rd book. I really prefered the
>> first one.
>> Each to their own.
>
> Indeed. The third one does drag until Jacurutu, but the forth amused.
>
> -- 
> Phil Cook

The first is great, I've read it atleast twice. I read the second twice as 
well, because I was planning on reading the third recently, and couldn't 
remember what happened in the second execpt for broad plotlines. I've heard 
that the third is better than the second, but still not as good as the 
first.

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"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> And lo on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:50:26 -0000, nemesis
> > I was not.  I just described the plot.
>
> and you didn't spot all the sudden jumps you described?
> You've got to admit it's a long cut-jump.

Long cuts, same movie, same story.  The logical conclusion from seeing the bone
in the air cut to a spaceship is pretty straightforward.  Would it really be
worth it to show men's technical evolution through the ages?  It'd be boring
and not as poetic as that hallmark of a scene...

> Bye-bye Earth heh.

yes, but I guess she didn't know how to follow the logical jump from cute doggy
alien to Earth exploding...

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Phil Cook <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> "True. Okay we'll try that. Now next on the agenda spelling out suggestive  
> words in clouds of dust..."

  Like SFX?

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