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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
>> Warp wrote:
>>> but that it failed to meet fan expectations.
>
>> That, and the acting sucked.
>
> I have seen movies with truely bad acting, and I didn't see any of that in
> the SW trilogy. I never understood what people are talking about when they
> say there's bad acting in the trilogy. Granted, perhaps not oscar-worthy
> acting, but bad?
I won't get into arguing about Star Wars too much, because while I
liked the original trilogy, it was only because I was quite young. I'm
sure if I saw them originally as an adult, I'd enjoy them, and forget
about them quickly.
But anyway, I get amused with comments about "bad acting". What exactly
is bad acting? Can't seem to come up with an objective criterion.
Friend of mine tried to insist good acting was, "They acted the way
real people would in that situation". He wasn't consistent with that
definition. He liked the acting in a lot of action movies, where almost
no one acts as they would in real life. I don't like that definition
(but hey, if someone really cares about realism...).
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Bill Pragnell wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> I thought 'The Long Kiss Goodnight' was good. Enough to perhaps even
>>> deserve a second watching at some point.
>>
>> Never saw it.
>
> It's a good laugh. Good action, pleasantly trivial story, and some
> cracking dialogue from Sam Jackson.
Samuel Jackson more or less made the movie. It's good entertainment
overall, but his character just kept cracking me up.
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Chambers wrote:
> 2053 was decent when I read it (I think I was 15 at the time). I
> couldn't stomach more than a chapter or two of 3001, however (17yo when
> I tried to read it?).
I must have missed out on 2053. I read 2061...
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Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> But anyway, I get amused with comments about "bad acting". What exactly
> is bad acting? Can't seem to come up with an objective criterion.
Bad acting is where they act like actors instead of like the characters
they're supposed to be. It includes body language, for example. :-)
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It's not feature creep if you put it
at the end and adjust the release date.
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Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> Chambers wrote:
>> 2053 was decent when I read it (I think I was 15 at the time). I
>> couldn't stomach more than a chapter or two of 3001, however (17yo when
>> I tried to read it?).
>
> I must have missed out on 2053. I read 2061...
>
That was probably it (how am I supposed to remember a random number
close to fifteen years later?)
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:19:25 -0500, Warp wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> Gilliam's movies tend to be quite good.
>
> Tideland was weird, though.
I haven't seen that one, going to have to add it to my netflix queue. :-)
Jim
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:58:19 +0000, Bill Pragnell wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:09:03 -0800, Darren New wrote:
>>
>>> That, and the acting sucked. Which is hard to blame on the actors,
>>> given how it was filmed.
>>
>> And the fact that the scripts generally sucked. There wasn't a lot for
>> the actors to work with, since most of the budget was blown on the
>> effects.
>
> I think the actors tried hard, but the script, as you say, was sub-par.
> Additionally, Lucas wasn't interested in honing dialogue or shooting
> any re-takes at all (except for completely fluffed lines, sets falling
> over etc). Consequently, the action and effects are awesome but the
> actual character interaction feels really fake and unbelievable.
Oh, I do think that the actors tried hard and didn't have a lot to work
with, absolutely. Agreed 100%.
>> It isn't about fan expectations - I went in with no expectations, and
>> still I was disappointed.
>
> I went in with mixed feelings, but I was pleasantly surprised. That
> suggests I was expecting to be disappointed...!
I guess it's fair to say that going into ep1 I had no expectations, but
then I was confronted with Jar Jar, and I just wanted to hit something
Lucas-like.
I had low expectations for 2 & 3, and as I think I said elsewhere, 3 I
actually kinda liked because it went to where it inevitably needed to go
and ended with a pretty dark ending (just like ESB, for that matter). I
generally prefer films where the end doesn't wrap everything up all nice
and neat and everyone lives happily ever after.
I really liked the uncut version of Blade Runner better than the
theatrical release specifically for this matter; RS was told he needed a
"clean" ending with no uncertainty, but his original vision was far, far
better because you just didn't know how things ended up.
> I like all the Star Wars films, but I'll be the first to admit that
> they're all seriously flawed in one way or another. Except maybe ESB.
ESB was definitely the best of the bunch - I really liked that one.
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:02:00 +0000, Bill Pragnell wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> I thought 'The Long Kiss Goodnight' was good. Enough to perhaps even
>>> deserve a second watching at some point.
>>
>> Never saw it.
>
> It's a good laugh. Good action, pleasantly trivial story, and some
> cracking dialogue from Sam Jackson.
I'll have to add that to my list as well, then. :-)
Jim
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:33:55 -0600, Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> Bill Pragnell wrote:
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> I thought 'The Long Kiss Goodnight' was good. Enough to perhaps
>>>> even
>>>> deserve a second watching at some point.
>>>
>>> Never saw it.
>>
>> It's a good laugh. Good action, pleasantly trivial story, and some
>> cracking dialogue from Sam Jackson.
>
> Samuel Jackson more or less made the movie. It's good
entertainment
> overall, but his character just kept cracking me up.
I think that's one of the things about films he's in that make me want to
see them - you don't expect him to be funny, but he is. Same for Robert
DeNiro - I loved "Analyze This", because I just never thought of him as a
comedian.
Jim
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:02:24 -0800, Chambers wrote:
> I actually like all of his movies, though The Village and Lady in the
> Water aren't his best. Personally, Unbreakable and Signs are my
> favorites.
Ah, yes, I didn't see The Village either.
> He focuses much more on the emotions of his characters than the events.
That's true, and that's what made Sixth Sense work for me.
Jim
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