Phil Cook wrote:

> It'd all be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

"In summary: People are a problem."

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Phil Cook <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> Trouble is the cost of providing said pamphlets is quite high prompting a  
> lot of tabloids to complain about this waste of taxpayers money (ignoring  
> the fact that a lot of these immigrants are themselves taxpayers too)

  I think that the tabloids are right if the immigrant have a total
negative effect on the economy and wrong if they have a total positive
effect on it. Has anyone dared to make the (unbiased) calculations there
on which is the case?

  Of course in modern Europe it would not be PC to make (and especially
publish) such calculations if they show that the net total is negative...

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And lo on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:44:14 -0000, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> did  
spake, saying:

> Phil Cook <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>> Trouble is the cost of providing said pamphlets is quite high prompting  
>> a
>> lot of tabloids to complain about this waste of taxpayers money  
>> (ignoring
>> the fact that a lot of these immigrants are themselves taxpayers too)
>
>   I think that the tabloids are right if the immigrant have a total
> negative effect on the economy and wrong if they have a total positive
> effect on it. Has anyone dared to make the (unbiased) calculations there
> on which is the case?
>
>   Of course in modern Europe it would not be PC to make (and especially
> publish) such calculations if they show that the net total is negative...

For my country historically we seemed to get a positive result, unless  
they were Catholic or Norman :-) Then again historically we didn't bend  
over backwards to accomodate them.

I was at the Polish Club a couple of months ago and they were talking  
about how they were helping immigrating Poles, mostly a bit of translation  
of documents, legal niceties, how to open a bank account etc. unlike the  
tabloid portrayal of "Which way to Job Centre for free monies please?".

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Phil Cook nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2008/01/04 04:56:
> And lo on Tue, 01 Jan 2008 04:23:11 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> 
> did spake, saying:
> 
>> Warp wrote:
>>> Tim Cook <z99### [at] bellsouthnet> wrote:
>>>> "ho hum, I don't really like these immigrants, they're taking our 
>>>> jobs and diluting our culture the way cultures have been being 
>>>> diluted and turned into what are really other cultures since forever"
>>>    Btw, I find this cliche quite curious, given that the real problem is
>>> more or less the exact opposite.
>>
>> I expect immigration in earlier decades in the USA differ from modern 
>> immigration in Europe (and possibly the USA).
>>
>> Earlier generations in the USA wanted to be Americans, not Irish or 
>> Germans or whatever living in America. Both my sets of grandparents 
>> refused to teach their children (my parents) their native languages, 
>> as they wanted the kids to learn English well so as to better 
>> integrate, for example.
>>
>> Nowadays, the Mexican immigrants around here (20 miles north of 
>> Mexico)   want their kids to learn English, and the prejudiced fools 
>> who think Mexicans can't learn try to pass laws making it required to 
>> teach school classes in spanish.
> 
> Here in the UK we provide free language lessons for immigrants and then 
> make sure that all government information is available in English, 
> Polish, Urdu,...
> 
> Trouble is the cost of providing said pamphlets is quite high prompting 
> a lot of tabloids to complain about this waste of taxpayers money 
> (ignoring the fact that a lot of these immigrants are themselves 
> taxpayers too); if they come over here, they write, they should learn 
> the language.
> 
> Then the cost of these free English lessons are released and the very 
> same tabloids then complain about this waste of money.
> 
> Then people are turned away from the lessons because the staff can't 
> cope with the numbers coming in (unless they get more funding) and the 
> tabloids then complain about immigrants who are 'trying to do the right 
> thing' being let down.
> 
> It'd all be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
> 
Damn if you do, damn if you don't!

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that is the principal difference between a dog and a man.

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And lo on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:30:23 -0000, Alain  
<ele### [at] netscapenet> did spake, saying:

> Phil Cook nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2008/01/04 04:56:
>
>>  It'd all be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
>>
> Damn if you do, damn if you don't!

Unless you're newspaper editor. The sad thing is they believe themselves  
to be the voice of the people... the really sad thing is that too many  
politicians believe them or are too frightened to stand up to them.

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Phil Cook wrote:
> For my country historically we seemed to get a positive result, unless 
> they were Catholic or Norman :-) Then again historically we didn't bend 

LOL!

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