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From: scott
Subject: Re: Remixes
Date: 14 Nov 2007 08:31:14
Message: <473af8a2@news.povray.org>
> In order to remix a track, you must (usually) possess the original unmixed 
> elements. But how on earth do you get those? It would seem extremely 
> difficult to obtain such material.
>
> Any yet, purchase any CD bearing the title "Ultimate Trance Experience 
> 2007" or similar and roughly 80% of the tracks will be remixes of remixes 
> of reworkings of remixes of older tracks. So clearly *somebody* knows how 
> to get hold of this material...

You might like to try out averaging the L+R tracks and see what you get.  Or 
taking the difference.  Often it has the effect of doing some nice selective 
filtering...


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Remixes
Date: 14 Nov 2007 08:38:47
Message: <473afa67@news.povray.org>
Bruno Cabasson <bru### [at] alcatelaleniaspacefr> wrote:
> > > 2) You simply replicate the original from scratch.

> 4) You learn music and instruments, replay the track with friends and record it
> yourself ...

  Aren't those two the same thing?

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Bruno Cabasson
Subject: Re: Remixes
Date: 14 Nov 2007 08:50:03
Message: <web.473afca47e69d9a9e8ba46670@news.povray.org>
"Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> 473ae9cd$1@news.povray.org...
> > Well OK, let me put it this way... If *I* ask the owner of the original
> > track for the unmixed elements, they're going to tell me to naff off. (Or,
> > more likely, ignore me completely.) So what do all these other people have
> > that I don't?
>
> Starts with an M, ends with a Y.
>
> G.

Let me see ... a MONKEY perhaps?


B.


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From: Bruno Cabasson
Subject: Re: Remixes
Date: 14 Nov 2007 09:20:00
Message: <web.473b02f07e69d9a9e8ba46670@news.povray.org>
"Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> 473ae9cd$1@news.povray.org...
> > Well OK, let me put it this way... If *I* ask the owner of the original
> > track for the unmixed elements, they're going to tell me to naff off. (Or,
> > more likely, ignore me completely.) So what do all these other people have
> > that I don't?
>
> Starts with an M, ends with a Y.
>
> G.

Let me see ... a MONKEY perhaps?


B.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Remixes
Date: 14 Nov 2007 10:17:40
Message: <473b1194@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> In order to remix a track, you must (usually) possess the original 
>> unmixed elements. But how on earth do you get those?
> 
> You might like to try out averaging the L+R tracks and see what you 
> get.  Or taking the difference.  Often it has the effect of doing some 
> nice selective filtering...

Otherwise known as "center cancel" filtering... ;-) Doesn't always work 
though.

(While we're on the subject, a lot of tracks sound very different if 
played backwards. A few sound almost exactly the same though.)


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Remixes
Date: 14 Nov 2007 13:42:29
Message: <473b4195$1@news.povray.org>
Bruno Cabasson wrote:

>> Starts with an M, ends with a Y.
>>
>> G.
> 
> Let me see ... a MONKEY perhaps?

I'll give you 3 rhesus and 2 macaque if you give me the original tracks 
to your music. I'll throw in a lemur if you give me exclusive rights.


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From: Tim Attwood
Subject: Re: Remixes
Date: 14 Nov 2007 16:20:34
Message: <473b66a2$1@news.povray.org>
> (While we're on the subject, a lot of tracks sound very different if 
> played backwards. A few sound almost exactly the same though.)
I remember listening to a *real* backmasking of a crowd cheering at
the end of a song, the singer was talking to the audience... but when
heard forward you couldn't hear the singer talking at all. Maybe
just a little extra white noise on the crowd cheering.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Remixes
Date: 15 Nov 2007 04:20:20
Message: <473c0f54@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:

> I'll give you 3 rhesus and 2 macaque if you give me the original tracks 
> to your music. I'll throw in a lemur if you give me exclusive rights.

I'm Rhesus negative...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Remixes
Date: 15 Nov 2007 04:22:19
Message: <473c0fcb$1@news.povray.org>
Tim Attwood wrote:
>> (While we're on the subject, a lot of tracks sound very different if 
>> played backwards. A few sound almost exactly the same though.)
> I remember listening to a *real* backmasking of a crowd cheering at
> the end of a song, the singer was talking to the audience... but when
> heard forward you couldn't hear the singer talking at all. Maybe
> just a little extra white noise on the crowd cheering. 

It's interesting how when you play somebody's voice backwards, there 
always seems to be more syllables than in the forward case...

ELO seem to like hiding backwards messages in their songs. (Especially 
on their album "Secret Messages" - no surprisees there then!) Also Pink 
Floyd now and then...

I swear to God, if you take Golden Brown and play it backwards, the lead 
singer clearly says "...and the flowers"


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From: Ross
Subject: Re: Remixes
Date: 15 Nov 2007 12:15:16
Message: <473c7ea4$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:473addd1$1@news.povray.org...
> In order to remix a track, you must (usually) possess the original
> unmixed elements. But how on earth do you get those? It would seem
> extremely difficult to obtain such material.
>
> Any yet, purchase any CD bearing the title "Ultimate Trance Experience
> 2007" or similar and roughly 80% of the tracks will be remixes of
> remixes of reworkings of remixes of older tracks. So clearly *somebody*
> knows how to get hold of this material...

Nine Inch Nails has started to give this stuff away.
http://yearzero.nin.com/ then go to the bottom of the page "Multitrack Audio
Files". I downloaded the files for "Me, I'm Not" and loaded it into Logic
for kicks. I haven't done anything with it yet though.

He also did it for some songs from a previous album, but I can't find them
at the moment.


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