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From: Rune
Subject: Motherboard question
Date: 7 Nov 2007 08:35:43
Message: <4731bf2f@news.povray.org>
My motherboard was sent to a repair four weeks ago and it's still at the 
fabricant. I called the shop where I bought it, and they offered me a 
replacement (because it has taken so long by now) - however, this 
motherboard can no longer be bought, so I need to get a different model 
instead, which he said I should find.

My question is - how big is the impact of inserting a new motherboard in an 
existing computer? Will the computer start up like nothing has changed or is 
a re-install of Windows necessary? I'm very reluctant to the latter, so I 
might wait a bit longer if that is the case.

The other question - how do I find a motherboard compatible with all my 
other hardware? I guess processor and graphics card is the only real issue? 
The motherboard in question is a Asus A8N-SLI SE / nForce4 SLI / Sata 300. 
So which newer model supports all the same things that this one does?

It really annoys me having to deal with all this when I just want my 
computer to work again. :(

Rune


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From: Tom Austin
Subject: Re: Motherboard question
Date: 7 Nov 2007 09:57:01
Message: <4731d23d$1@news.povray.org>
Rune wrote:
> My motherboard was sent to a repair four weeks ago and it's still at the 
> fabricant. I called the shop where I bought it, and they offered me a 
> replacement (because it has taken so long by now) - however, this 
> motherboard can no longer be bought, so I need to get a different model 
> instead, which he said I should find.
> 
> My question is - how big is the impact of inserting a new motherboard in an 
> existing computer? Will the computer start up like nothing has changed or is 
> a re-install of Windows necessary? I'm very reluctant to the latter, so I 
> might wait a bit longer if that is the case.
> 
> The other question - how do I find a motherboard compatible with all my 
> other hardware? I guess processor and graphics card is the only real issue? 
> The motherboard in question is a Asus A8N-SLI SE / nForce4 SLI / Sata 300. 
> So which newer model supports all the same things that this one does?
> 
> It really annoys me having to deal with all this when I just want my 
> computer to work again. :(
> 
> Rune
> 
> 
> 

My understanding is that MS OEM software is tied to the motherboard.
It's their way of defining a computer so that you can change things like 
the hard drive and what not.

So, if they send you a new motherboard (or even an exact model 
replacement) MS can stick it to you.


As far as the drivers and stuff - I don't know.  If it is a very similar 
motherboard you might be OK, but I always default to reinstalling myself 
just to make things cleaner.



Good Luck!

Tom


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Motherboard question
Date: 7 Nov 2007 09:58:51
Message: <4731d2ab@news.povray.org>
Rune escribió:
> My motherboard was sent to a repair four weeks ago and it's still at the 
> fabricant. I called the shop where I bought it, and they offered me a 
> replacement (because it has taken so long by now) - however, this 
> motherboard can no longer be bought, so I need to get a different model 
> instead, which he said I should find.
> 
> My question is - how big is the impact of inserting a new motherboard in an 
> existing computer? Will the computer start up like nothing has changed or is 
> a re-install of Windows necessary? I'm very reluctant to the latter, so I 
> might wait a bit longer if that is the case.
> 
> The other question - how do I find a motherboard compatible with all my 
> other hardware? I guess processor and graphics card is the only real issue? 
> The motherboard in question is a Asus A8N-SLI SE / nForce4 SLI / Sata 300. 
> So which newer model supports all the same things that this one does?
> 
> It really annoys me having to deal with all this when I just want my 
> computer to work again. :(
> 
> Rune
> 
> 
> 

As far as I know, you might need some chipset drivers, but not a full 
reinstall (unless there is some retarded "activation" and "anti-piracy" 
thing that doesn't work as it should, and locks you out for changing the 
hardware).

Also, I think RAM could be another compatibility factor. *Many* years 
ago, I wanted to put more RAM on my old computer, and the memory stick 
we bought wasn't compatible because it lacked dunno-what-feature that 
lets the mobo detect the RAM speed or something, and ended up with twice 
the RAM (= a whole 256MB) running at 100MHz. Computer ran faster without 
it... back to the shop...

Maybe nowadays there isn't such problem with RAM, but better ask :)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Motherboard question
Date: 7 Nov 2007 10:45:19
Message: <4731dd8f$1@news.povray.org>
> My question is - how big is the impact of inserting a new motherboard in 
> an existing computer? Will the computer start up like nothing has changed 
> or is a re-install of Windows necessary? I'm very reluctant to the latter, 
> so I might wait a bit longer if that is the case.

So long as all the hardware components are actually compatible (and you have 
drivers for them just incase), windows will likely just do a load of "found 
new hardware" prompts and then work ok after a few minutes (or hours....)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Motherboard question
Date: 7 Nov 2007 10:56:32
Message: <4731e030$1@news.povray.org>
Ny opinion is that it would probably be more work than to just wait - 
but then again, I guess it depends on just how long they're going to 
make you wait for it.

If you have drivers for the new hardware, you'll probably be able to get 
it to work. (The fun part is usually removing the existing drivers first.)

So long as the new board supports the same CPU and RAM type (the 
graphics card is presumably just PCI-Express?)


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From: Fa3ien
Subject: Re: Motherboard question
Date: 7 Nov 2007 11:10:23
Message: <4731e36f$1@news.povray.org>

> My motherboard was sent to a repair four weeks ago and it's still at the 
> fabricant. I called the shop where I bought it, and they offered me a 
> replacement (because it has taken so long by now) - however, this 
> motherboard can no longer be bought, so I need to get a different model 
> instead, which he said I should find.
> 
> My question is - how big is the impact of inserting a new motherboard in an 
> existing computer? Will the computer start up like nothing has changed or is 
> a re-install of Windows necessary? I'm very reluctant to the latter, so I 
> might wait a bit longer if that is the case.

Activation-bullshit set apart, Windows will complain a lot (missing peripherals,
bad drivers, 1451 new hardware detected...).  Horrible.

Fabien.


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From: Fredrik Eriksson
Subject: Re: Motherboard question
Date: 7 Nov 2007 14:37:20
Message: <op.t1fsshhpcs6ysw@e6600>
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:35:41 +0100, Rune <aut### [at] runevisioncom> wrot
e:
> My question is - how big is the impact of inserting a new motherboard
> in an existing computer? Will the computer start up like nothing has
> changed or is a re-install of Windows necessary? I'm very reluctant to

> the latter, so I might wait a bit longer if that is the case.

Having replaced faulty motherboards in I-don't-know-how-many computers, 
I  

will share my experience (I am assuming you have WinXP):

- If the new MB has the exact same chipset as the old one, chances are  

good that Windows will start normally. Some new devices will be detected
,  

and you might even have to install/reinstall a few drivers.
- If the new MB has a different chipset, the odds are worse. If Windows 
 

starts, there will be a lot of new devices found, but no big worries. If
  

Windows does not start (BSOD with error 0x0000007B is common) you might 
 

get it up and running again by doing a repair install. Following a repai
r  

install, you will need to install some drivers as well as all Windows  

updates.
- In some rare cases, the hardware is so different that even a repair  

install can not salvage your Windows installation. A full reinstall will
  

be needed.

Regardless of how you get it up and running again, you will need to  

reactivate Windows.


> The other question - how do I find a motherboard compatible with all m
y
> other hardware? I guess processor and graphics card is the only real  

> issue?

Also memory type, number of memory slots, number of PCI slots etc.


> The motherboard in question is a Asus A8N-SLI SE / nForce4 SLI / Sata 
 

> 300.
> So which newer model supports all the same things that this one does?

I do not know if the situation is different where you live (Norway?), bu
t  

over here (Sweden) there are very few MBs still available for socket 939
.  

It has been almost completely phased out.

Possible alternatives (these can still be found in online stores):

ASUS A8V-VM SE
Downsides: Micro-ATX format, so only two memory slots and two PCI slots.
  

Only two SATA channels. No Gbit LAN (only 10/100). No SLI.
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=15&l3=260&l4=0&model=
1524&modelmenu=2

ASRock 939NF6G-VSTA
Downsides: Micro-ATX format, so only two PCI slots (four memory slots  

though). Only one ATA133 connector. No Gbit LAN (only 10/100). No SLI.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=939NF6G-VSTA



-- 

FE


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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: Motherboard question
Date: 7 Nov 2007 21:18:56
Message: <47327210$1@news.povray.org>
Rune wrote:
> My question is - how big is the impact of inserting a new motherboard in an 
> existing computer? Will the computer start up like nothing has changed or is 
> a re-install of Windows necessary?

There is really only one way to find out.

Regards,
John


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Motherboard question
Date: 8 Nov 2007 04:29:46
Message: <4732d70a$1@news.povray.org>
John VanSickle wrote:
> Rune wrote:
>> My question is - how big is the impact of inserting a new motherboard 
>> in an existing computer? Will the computer start up like nothing has 
>> changed or is a re-install of Windows necessary?
> 
> There is really only one way to find out.

So I guess there comes a time when every man has to ask himself... Do I 
feel lucky?... Well do ya, punk?


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Motherboard question
Date: 8 Nov 2007 19:24:32
Message: <4733a8c0$1@news.povray.org>
Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> get it up and running again by doing a repair install. Following a 
> repair install, you will need to install some drivers as well as all 
> Windows updates.

Google around for the story about how a recent windows update installed 
stuff without registering it properly, so after a repair install, 
windows update doesn't work right any more. There's instructions on 
fixing it out there too.

Just FYI.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     Remember the good old days, when we
     used to complain about cryptography
     being export-restricted?


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