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Hey all. I'm pretty much brand new to POV. Not really, I've been using it
off and on for about 3 years now. More off though. Anyway, I can do alot of
basic shapes, and a couple of advanced ones as well, and do alot of things
I need to do, but I want to learn to do alot of other things. I've gone
through the tutorial that comes with POV 3.5, but still haven't retained
any of that knowledge, and it seems incomplete (by far even) anyway. So, I
found this place, and was wondering if there was anyone out there that has
the patience and time to help me out and teach me how to do alot of the
more advance funtions and such? Feel free to contact me any way that's
easiest for you:
e-mail: rjs### [at] hotmail com
AIM: BasSR305
MSN: rjsalamon
Thanks.
_Ray_
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Program ended abnormally on 17/04/2004 22:44, Due to a catastrophic
Bleeding_Soul error:
> Hey all. I'm pretty much brand new to POV. Not really, I've been using it
> off and on for about 3 years now. More off though. Anyway, I can do alot of
> basic shapes, and a couple of advanced ones as well, and do alot of things
> I need to do, but I want to learn to do alot of other things. I've gone
> through the tutorial that comes with POV 3.5, but still haven't retained
> any of that knowledge, and it seems incomplete (by far even) anyway. So, I
> found this place, and was wondering if there was anyone out there that has
> the patience and time to help me out and teach me how to do alot of the
> more advance funtions and such? Feel free to contact me any way that's
> easiest for you:
The best way is to find a project to work on ( modelling your room, summer
cottage, dream car, a cartoon character, etc...) and post your progress in
povray.binaries.images or specific questions about problems you're having here.
Lots of people will gladly offer help.
--
/*Francois Labreque*/#local a=x+y;#local b=x+a;#local c=a+b;#macro P(F//
/* flabreque */L)polygon{5,F,F+z,L+z,L,F pigment{rgb 9}}#end union
/* @ */{P(0,a)P(a,b)P(b,c)P(2*a,2*b)P(2*b,b+c)P(b+c,<2,3>)
/* videotron.ca */}camera{orthographic location<6,1.25,-6>look_at a }
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Francois Labreque wrote:
> The best way is to find a project to work on ( modelling your room,
> summer cottage, dream car, a cartoon character, etc...) and post your
> progress in povray.binaries.images or specific questions about problems
> you're having here. Lots of people will gladly offer help.
>
What Francois said. There is simply too much there to try and organize
a comprehensive introductory treatment. You need to isolate different
technical areas and attack them one at a time: Texturing, modelling,
lighting, scene building. Most beginners are seduced by the problem of
modelling. At least I was and still am. Real sophistication and
realism comes with mastery of texturing and lighting. Many people work
toward the final achievement of entire scenes. But this ability
requires that technical building-block skills be acquired first.
Secondly you need to isolate a subject or interest. This can be
anything from building detailed scifi scenes to modelling mathematical
equations to nature or humanist themes. You can pursue the classic
genres of still life, landscape, or figure representation. The interest
can involve a highly specialized technical area of POV such as using
media and lighting to obtain the effects of sky and atmosphere in the
general case. Those interested in advanced Art often begin from a
critique of the medium itself. Raytracing is peculiar in that it
involves three dimensional (though virtual) modelling in order to
achieve a two dimensional result. The possibilities are as endless as
the world in which we live.
I am sure if you want to open discussions on any of these topics you
will get a lively response.
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Jim Charter <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote:
> Francois Labreque wrote:
>
> > The best way is to find a project to work on ( modelling your room,
> > summer cottage, dream car, a cartoon character, etc...) and post your
> > progress in povray.binaries.images or specific questions about problems
> > you're having here. Lots of people will gladly offer help.
> >
> What Francois said. There is simply too much there to try and organize
> a comprehensive introductory treatment. You need to isolate different
> technical areas and attack them one at a time: Texturing, modelling,
> lighting, scene building. Most beginners are seduced by the problem of
> modelling. At least I was and still am. Real sophistication and
> realism comes with mastery of texturing and lighting. Many people work
> toward the final achievement of entire scenes. But this ability
> requires that technical building-block skills be acquired first.
>
> Secondly you need to isolate a subject or interest. This can be
> anything from building detailed scifi scenes to modelling mathematical
> equations to nature or humanist themes. You can pursue the classic
> genres of still life, landscape, or figure representation. The interest
> can involve a highly specialized technical area of POV such as using
> media and lighting to obtain the effects of sky and atmosphere in the
> general case. Those interested in advanced Art often begin from a
> critique of the medium itself. Raytracing is peculiar in that it
> involves three dimensional (though virtual) modelling in order to
> achieve a two dimensional result. The possibilities are as endless as
> the world in which we live.
>
> I am sure if you want to open discussions on any of these topics you
> will get a lively response.
See, that's a problem. I honestly don't know (nor really want) to focus on
one aspect. I just want to be able to do alot of things. I mostly do 3D art
for webpages, bands, some local businesses etc. etc., and I would like to
be able to do anything they'd ask. For the most part I used (ught oh...)
Photoshop, and 3D studio, but as good of programs as they are, POV jsut
seems to be better in that you can do pratically anything you'd like, as
long as you know what you want to see, and how to achieve that.
I guess I could always just post on the fore-mentioned link for help, but I
already know that I'd be posting there way to often for my own good really.
That and I never know how to explain what I'm going for.
Anyway, I guess it is kinda dumb, cos it seems that it'd be near impossible
to be a jack of all POV trades, but I would still love to be able to do
most of them...thanks
Ray
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Bleeding_Soul wrote:
> one aspect. I just want to be able to do alot of things. I mostly do 3D art
> for webpages, bands, some local businesses etc. etc., and I would like to
> be able to do anything they'd ask. For the most part I used (ught oh...)
> Photoshop, and 3D studio, but as good of programs as they are, POV jsut
> seems to be better in that you can do pratically anything you'd like, as
> long as you know what you want to see, and how to achieve that.
So you are capable of doing most things a client may likely ask you to
do within the capability of an image editing app like PS or a limited 3d
app like 3d Studio, but you are not yet capable of every possibility
that might be proposed within POV. Now I understand.
You seem to be caught between the approach of answering any request that
is pitched to you versus the approach of developing an original product
demonstrating how you can use 3d and letting demand come to you.
The first approach reminds me of the job of a speaker I heard at NYCMG
who does the little 3d animations that are used to accent daily TV
newscasts. These usually have to be produced same day, and the subject
could be anything. He can't know what it will be until the news of the
day happens. Obviously he has a lot of talent and a broad base of
skills. But he also works to cut corners and prepare for the challenge
as much as possible. He builds a library of models which he can quickly
adapt to a purpose. He tries to predict where the news is going. If
war with Iraq seems probably he stocks up on models of tanks etc. He
constantly surveys available tools and exploits anything that can
improve his productivity.
You too are going to have to stage your entree into this area in some
way. Demonstrate novel solutions that are beyond what PS can do but
which still exploit relatively limited possibilities within raytracing.
I still think clients are going to be seeking an integrated style within
the given realm of possibilities you can provide.
It would be interesting to see the professional web graphics you have
done so far. Is it really true that clients can propose truely
anything, or are the demands in fact encompassed by the effects that
have been popular on the web so far?
I still think that you must have something in mind initially. You have
to start out advertizing something.
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news:408269cb$1@news.povray.org...
> Program ended abnormally on 17/04/2004 22:44, Due to a catastrophic
> Bleeding_Soul error:
> > Hey all. I'm pretty much brand new to POV. Not really, I've been using it
> > off and on for about 3 years now. More off though. Anyway, I can do alot of
> > basic shapes, and a couple of advanced ones as well, and do alot of things
> > I need to do, but I want to learn to do alot of other things. I've gone
> > through the tutorial that comes with POV 3.5, but still haven't retained
> > any of that knowledge, and it seems incomplete (by far even) anyway. So, I
> > found this place, and was wondering if there was anyone out there that has
> > the patience and time to help me out and teach me how to do alot of the
> > more advance funtions and such? Feel free to contact me any way that's
> > easiest for you:
>
> The best way is to find a project to work on ( modelling your room, summer
> cottage, dream car, a cartoon character, etc...) and post your progress in
> povray.binaries.images or specific questions about problems you're having
here.
> Lots of people will gladly offer help.
>
>
>
> --
> /*Francois Labreque*/#local a=x+y;#local b=x+a;#local c=a+b;#macro P(F//
> /* flabreque */L)polygon{5,F,F+z,L+z,L,F pigment{rgb 9}}#end union
> /* @ */{P(0,a)P(a,b)P(b,c)P(2*a,2*b)P(2*b,b+c)P(b+c,<2,3>)
> /* videotron.ca */}camera{orthographic location<6,1.25,-6>look_at a }
Start with something simple such as a CD:
difference
{
cylinder
{
flat and big
}
cylinder
{
small
}
texture
{
image_map
{
your_favorite_CD_drawing
}
}
}
Then you can work on a box for the CD, then a wood floor to put the box over.
That's a good strategy: start with something easy and continue with things
around it
I imagine you three months later posting a house with several rooms
and inside one of the rooms, a table
and on the table, a box
and in the box, a CD!
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