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From: clipka
Subject: Re: This makes no sense
Date: 5 Jul 2014 07:22:02
Message: <53b7dfda$1@news.povray.org>
Am 05.07.2014 00:34, schrieb Anthony D. Baye:

> something seriously screwy with the mac output.  Like half the image is black,
> which I guess accounts for the speed.

Can you be a bit more specific?

The image Jerome posted in povray.beta-test looked like someone had set 
the light brightness to a negative value: Only the shadows were 
non-black. Is that what you're seeing, too?


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From: jhu
Subject: Re: This makes no sense
Date: 5 Jul 2014 20:10:00
Message: <web.53b8931fc704eaa3d19b0ec40@news.povray.org>
"Anthony D. Baye" <Sha### [at] spamnomorehotmailcom> wrote:
> Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> > Another thing to check: Try rendering some other scene (with the exact
> > same settings) to see how the difference in time goes.
> >
> > --
> >                                                           - Warp
>
>
> Well, the settings aren't the same, but I did render my lotus gas lamp and it
> looks just fine... Though, as expected, it does take much longer.
>
> I think there might be a problem with the calculation of mesh objects or mesh2
> objects in my build because looking at the output image from rendering the
> benchmark, there seem to be a lot of missing surfaces.
>
> Regards,
> A.D.B.

Were you able to compile the stable source? Curious to see what the PPC 970
benchmark numbers really are.


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From: Anthony D  Baye
Subject: Re: This makes no sense
Date: 6 Jul 2014 22:10:01
Message: <web.53ba005fc704eaa377ac193c0@news.povray.org>
"jhu" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> "Anthony D. Baye" <Sha### [at] spamnomorehotmailcom> wrote:
> > Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> > > Another thing to check: Try rendering some other scene (with the exact
> > > same settings) to see how the difference in time goes.
> > >
> > > --
> > >                                                           - Warp
> >
> >
> > Well, the settings aren't the same, but I did render my lotus gas lamp and it
> > looks just fine... Though, as expected, it does take much longer.
> >
> > I think there might be a problem with the calculation of mesh objects or mesh2
> > objects in my build because looking at the output image from rendering the
> > benchmark, there seem to be a lot of missing surfaces.
> >
> > Regards,
> > A.D.B.
>
> Were you able to compile the stable source? Curious to see what the PPC 970
> benchmark numbers really are.

the configure script tried to set BUILD_ARCH to x86_64_unknown_linux_gnu

it failed while testing boost_thread

Regards,
A.D.B


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From: jhu
Subject: Re: This makes no sense
Date: 7 Jul 2014 01:35:01
Message: <web.53ba316bc704eaa3d19b0ec40@news.povray.org>
"Anthony D. Baye" <Sha### [at] spamnomorehotmailcom> wrote:

> the configure script tried to set BUILD_ARCH to x86_64_unknown_linux_gnu
>
> it failed while testing boost_thread
>
> Regards,
> A.D.B

That's really weird. I'll see if I can post up a static PPC binary within the
next 24 hours for you to try out. Getting late over here and baby is crying...


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From: jhu
Subject: Re: This makes no sense
Date: 7 Jul 2014 08:05:01
Message: <web.53ba8bd7c704eaa3d19b0ec40@news.povray.org>
"jhu" <nomail@nomail> wrote:

>
> That's really weird. I'll see if I can post up a static PPC binary within the
> next 24 hours for you to try out. Getting late over here and baby is crying...

Unable to compile a static binary. Instead I compiled a dynamic binary and
bundled the libraries it's linked to. Just posted it with descriptions in
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.misc/


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: This makes no sense
Date: 7 Jul 2014 12:53:18
Message: <53bad07e$1@news.povray.org>
Am 04.07.2014 23:17, schrieb clipka:

> Jerome and I have spent the last days wrestling with Linux build
> problems in the current master; and although the most up-to-date version
> seems to build now with icpc, g++ and clang, the g++ build is
> dysfunctional and doesn't render the benchmark scene properly (and also
> too fast).

That problem should be solved now in the current master; Anthony, would 
you mind giving it another try on the G5?


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From: Anthony D  Baye
Subject: Re: This makes no sense
Date: 7 Jul 2014 22:25:01
Message: <web.53bb561fc704eaa377ac193c0@news.povray.org>
clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Am 04.07.2014 23:17, schrieb clipka:
>
> > Jerome and I have spent the last days wrestling with Linux build
> > problems in the current master; and although the most up-to-date version
> > seems to build now with icpc, g++ and clang, the g++ build is
> > dysfunctional and doesn't render the benchmark scene properly (and also
> > too fast).
>
> That problem should be solved now in the current master; Anthony, would
> you mind giving it another try on the G5?

Seems to be fixed.

Render Time:
  Photon Time:      0 hours  0 minutes  6 seconds (6.402 seconds)
              using 7 thread(s) with 7.346 CPU-seconds total
  Radiosity Time:   No radiosity
  Trace Time:       0 hours 12 minutes 12 seconds (732.817 seconds)
              using 4 thread(s) with 2889.894 CPU-seconds total
POV-Ray finished

Image looks good too.

Regards,
A.D.B.


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From: jhu
Subject: Re: This makes no sense
Date: 8 Jul 2014 01:35:00
Message: <web.53bb823cc704eaa3d19b0ec40@news.povray.org>
"Anthony D. Baye" <Sha### [at] spamnomorehotmailcom> wrote:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> > Am 04.07.2014 23:17, schrieb clipka:
> >
> > > Jerome and I have spent the last days wrestling with Linux build
> > > problems in the current master; and although the most up-to-date version
> > > seems to build now with icpc, g++ and clang, the g++ build is
> > > dysfunctional and doesn't render the benchmark scene properly (and also
> > > too fast).
> >
> > That problem should be solved now in the current master; Anthony, would
> > you mind giving it another try on the G5?
>
> Seems to be fixed.
>
> Render Time:
>   Photon Time:      0 hours  0 minutes  6 seconds (6.402 seconds)
>               using 7 thread(s) with 7.346 CPU-seconds total
>   Radiosity Time:   No radiosity
>   Trace Time:       0 hours 12 minutes 12 seconds (732.817 seconds)
>               using 4 thread(s) with 2889.894 CPU-seconds total
> POV-Ray finished
>
> Image looks good too.
>
> Regards,
> A.D.B.

That's odd. Clock for clock, it's not much faster than a PowerPC 74xx.

PowerPC 7400 @ 466 MHz
  Photon Time:      0 hours  0 minutes 37 seconds (37.148 seconds)
              using 7 thread(s) with 36.298 CPU-seconds total
  Radiosity Time:   No radiosity
  Trace Time:       4 hours 29 minutes 44 seconds (16184.849 seconds)
              using 4 thread(s) with 16095.266 CPU-seconds total

That's 34.71 pps/GHz for the 7400 and 35.77 pps/core/GHz for your 970MP.


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From: Anthony D  Baye
Subject: Re: This makes no sense
Date: 8 Jul 2014 05:30:00
Message: <web.53bbb998c704eaa377ac193c0@news.povray.org>
"jhu" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> "Anthony D. Baye" <Sha### [at] spamnomorehotmailcom> wrote:
> > clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> > > Am 04.07.2014 23:17, schrieb clipka:
> > >
> > > > Jerome and I have spent the last days wrestling with Linux build
> > > > problems in the current master; and although the most up-to-date version
> > > > seems to build now with icpc, g++ and clang, the g++ build is
> > > > dysfunctional and doesn't render the benchmark scene properly (and also
> > > > too fast).
> > >
> > > That problem should be solved now in the current master; Anthony, would
> > > you mind giving it another try on the G5?
> >
> > Seems to be fixed.
> >
> > Render Time:
> >   Photon Time:      0 hours  0 minutes  6 seconds (6.402 seconds)
> >               using 7 thread(s) with 7.346 CPU-seconds total
> >   Radiosity Time:   No radiosity
> >   Trace Time:       0 hours 12 minutes 12 seconds (732.817 seconds)
> >               using 4 thread(s) with 2889.894 CPU-seconds total
> > POV-Ray finished
> >
> > Image looks good too.
> >
> > Regards,
> > A.D.B.
>
> That's odd. Clock for clock, it's not much faster than a PowerPC 74xx.
>
> PowerPC 7400 @ 466 MHz
>   Photon Time:      0 hours  0 minutes 37 seconds (37.148 seconds)
>               using 7 thread(s) with 36.298 CPU-seconds total
>   Radiosity Time:   No radiosity
>   Trace Time:       4 hours 29 minutes 44 seconds (16184.849 seconds)
>               using 4 thread(s) with 16095.266 CPU-seconds total
>
> That's 34.71 pps/GHz for the 7400 and 35.77 pps/core/GHz for your 970MP.


I can't remember much from the last time I took Computer Organization and
Architecture... It wasn't my strongest subject by far... but the speedup gained
from parallel processing is a function of how much of the application in
question is parallel vs how much is serial.

Have you run the numbers?

Regards,
A.D.B.


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From: jhu
Subject: Re: This makes no sense
Date: 8 Jul 2014 10:25:00
Message: <web.53bbfe21c704eaa3d19b0ec40@news.povray.org>
"Anthony D. Baye" <Sha### [at] spamnomorehotmailcom> wrote:

>
> I can't remember much from the last time I took Computer Organization and
> Architecture... It wasn't my strongest subject by far... but the speedup gained
> from parallel processing is a function of how much of the application in
> question is parallel vs how much is serial.
>
> Have you run the numbers?
>
> Regards,
> A.D.B.

I was just expecting the 970 to be faster per core per clock since it's based on
POWER4.

POWER8, however, is apparently going to be quite a beast.


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