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From: Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann
Subject: Domain containing "pov"?
Date: 6 Mar 2013 19:18:42
Message: <5137dce2$1@news.povray.org>
Hi(gh)!

After not generally giving up using the Internet (but restraining 
aimless surfing) I plan to rework my web presence, this time more 
focusing on my raytracing, i. e. POV-Ray projects. Perhaps some of you 
around remember my solemn announcement of POVEarth posted here seven 
years ago (on September 11, 2005)...

This project is slowly developing and in fact is intended to become a 
multi-user project where POVers around the world may contribute their 
renderings and scene code of their homes, their home towns or even their 
entire home countries to be worked into one huge elaborate contingent 
model of our planet.

To make this project easily recognizable on the Web, I would devote an 
own WWW domain to it, such as www.povearth.org. Now there arises the 
trademark problem - as I am not a member of the POV-Ray development 
team, this needs to be negotiated with the owner(s) of the POV-Ray 
trademark.

Is there any chance to get permission to use "pov" as part of a domain name?

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Domain containing "pov"?
Date: 7 Mar 2013 03:11:08
Message: <51384b9c@news.povray.org>


> To make this project easily recognizable on the Web, I would devote an
> own WWW domain to it, such as www.povearth.org. Now there arises the
> trademark problem - as I am not a member of the POV-Ray development
> team, this needs to be negotiated with the owner(s) of the POV-Ray
> trademark.
>
> Is there any chance to get permission to use "pov" as part of a domain
> name?


Quote from the source code license:

"This is a binding legal agreement between you and Persistence of Vision 
Raytracer Pty. Ltd. ACN 105 891 870 ("POV"), a company incorporated in 
the state of Victoria, Australia, for the product known as the 
"Persistence of Vision Raytracer(tm)", also referred to herein as 
"POV-Ray(tm)". [...]"


Quiz: Reading this piece of legalese carefully...

(1) Whom do you need to contact for permission to use the term 
"POV-Ray(tm)"?

(2) Whom do you need to contact for permission to use the acronym "POV"?


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Domain containing "pov"?
Date: 7 Mar 2013 05:59:55
Message: <5138732b$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/03/2013 8:11 AM, clipka wrote:
> Quiz: Reading this piece of legalese carefully...
>
> (1) Whom do you need to contact for permission to use the term
> "POV-Ray(tm)"?
>
> (2) Whom do you need to contact for permission to use the acronym "POV"?


Parliament of Victoria?


-- 
Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Domain containing "pov"?
Date: 7 Mar 2013 07:18:09
Message: <51388581$1@news.povray.org>
On 7-3-2013 9:11, clipka wrote:
> Quote from the source code license:
>
> "This is a binding legal agreement between you and Persistence of Vision
> Raytracer Pty. Ltd. ACN 105 891 870 ("POV"), a company incorporated in
> the state of Victoria, Australia, for the product known as the
> "Persistence of Vision Raytracer(tm)", also referred to herein as
> "POV-Ray(tm)". [...]"
>
>
> Quiz: Reading this piece of legalese carefully...
>
> (1) Whom do you need to contact for permission to use the term
> "POV-Ray(tm)"?
>
> (2) Whom do you need to contact for permission to use the acronym "POV"?
>


 From my point of view:

http://www.internetslang.com/POV-meaning-definition.asp

:-)

Thomas


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From: Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann
Subject: Re: Domain containing "pov"?
Date: 7 Mar 2013 08:13:13
Message: <51389269$1@news.povray.org>
Hi(gh)!

On 07.03.2013 09:11, clipka wrote:

> "This is a binding legal agreement between you and Persistence of Vision
> Raytracer Pty. Ltd. ACN 105 891 870 ("POV"), a company incorporated in
> the state of Victoria, Australia, for the product known as the
> "Persistence of Vision Raytracer(tm)", also referred to herein as
> "POV-Ray(tm)". [...]"
>
>
> Quiz: Reading this piece of legalese carefully...
>
> (1) Whom do you need to contact for permission to use the term
> "POV-Ray(tm)"?

The Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty. Ltd.!

>
> (2) Whom do you need to contact for permission to use the acronym "POV"?

Nobody, as mere POV is not the legally protected trademark?

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar


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From: MichaelJF
Subject: Re: Domain containing "pov"?
Date: 7 Mar 2013 15:20:02
Message: <web.5138f61da4990b9d7ed8a6440@news.povray.org>
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_=27Yadgar=27_Bleimann?= <yaz### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> Hi(gh)!
>
> On 07.03.2013 09:11, clipka wrote:
>
> > "This is a binding legal agreement between you and Persistence of Vision
> > Raytracer Pty. Ltd. ACN 105 891 870 ("POV"), a company incorporated in
> > the state of Victoria, Australia, for the product known as the
> > "Persistence of Vision Raytracer(tm)", also referred to herein as
> > "POV-Ray(tm)". [...]"
> >
> >
> > Quiz: Reading this piece of legalese carefully...
> >
> > (1) Whom do you need to contact for permission to use the term
> > "POV-Ray(tm)"?
>
> The Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty. Ltd.!
>
> >
> > (2) Whom do you need to contact for permission to use the acronym "POV"?
>
> Nobody, as mere POV is not the legally protected trademark?
>
> See you in Khyberspace!
>
> Yadgar

BTW, I can have misunderstood something - as ever - but I learned that one can
register new master-domain names nowadays. Has someone thought about the idea to
register .pov (like .org, .edu or .de) to Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty.
Ltd.?

Best regards,
Michael


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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: Domain containing "pov"?
Date: 7 Mar 2013 16:38:50
Message: <513908ea$1@news.povray.org>
Le 07/03/2013 21:18, MichaelJF nous fit lire :
> BTW, I can have misunderstood something - as ever - but I learned that one can
> register new master-domain names nowadays. Has someone thought about the idea to
> register .pov (like .org, .edu or .de) to Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty.
> Ltd.?

you have the money ? The first call is over (but undecided yet, IIRC),
and it was rather a big amount to provision (not $10 buy).


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From: BertvdB
Subject: Re: Domain containing "pov"?
Date: 8 Mar 2013 04:55:05
Message: <web.5139b452a4990b9dd25d21bf0@news.povray.org>
Just start your website and wait untillt someone pursues you. Did the the same
on my work, it was my standard answer if someone said "I will complain to your
boss", "gladly I am curious who it is"


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Domain containing "pov"?
Date: 8 Mar 2013 11:01:24
Message: <513a0b54$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 01:18:48 +0100, Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann wrote:

> Is there any chance to get permission to use "pov" as part of a domain
> name?

The person to ask would be Chris Cason; he's the project coordinator and 
as I recall, the owner for all the sites.  If he's not the person to ask, 
he would know who is. :)

Jim


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From: MichaelJF
Subject: Re: Domain containing "pov"?
Date: 8 Mar 2013 14:50:01
Message: <web.513a4070a4990b9d9dd7255d0@news.povray.org>
Le_Forgeron <jgr### [at] freefr> wrote:
> Le 07/03/2013 21:18, MichaelJF nous fit lire :
> > BTW, I can have misunderstood something - as ever - but I learned that one can
> > register new master-domain names nowadays. Has someone thought about the idea to
> > register .pov (like .org, .edu or .de) to Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty.
> > Ltd.?
>
> you have the money ? The first call is over (but undecided yet, IIRC),
> and it was rather a big amount to provision (not $10 buy).

Certainly not. Sorry, I was not aware about this special detail. I only learned
about the possibility, not the pricing. So better forget about this proposal.

Best regards,
Michael


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