On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:39:27 +1100, Dre wrote:

> I just cannot be bothered having to revert/reinstall older version when
> the time limit runs out just so I can keep working.

Especially if you use some of the new features that aren't backwards-
compatible, if there are any....

Jim

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Dre <aus### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> I dont like having to muck around with applications when they stop working 
> when I want to use them.  I have little spare time as it is and having to 
> waste time to make things work before I can do my work is frustrating so I 
> just dont bother.

  So, you have two shortcut icons in your desktop: One to launch pov3.6 and
the other to launch pov3.7. Apparently it's an enormous waste of time to
choose one instead of the other. Right.

  For me, at least, it takes something like 1 second to make the choice.

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                                                          - Warp

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Dre <aus### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Thats fine, but then which version fires up when I say open a .pov file in 
> explorer??  Depends on the file association.  I dont want to have to check 
> whether its version 3.6 or 3.7b everytime so what if its set to 3.6, then it 
> wont use 3.7, if its set to 3.7, then when it runs out, my associations 
> break.   Or if I have the association set to 3.6, I have 3.7 open, then 
> flick back to windows explorer, double click on a different .pov and it 
> opens up in 3.6, not in 3.7, pita.  There are *many* more examples.

> All stuff I dont want to waste my (precious) spare time with so hence wont 
> use betas that time out.

  Did you know that you can create shortcut icons in your desktop? These
can be used to launch any binary you want.

  And now an awesome tip: You can even drag&drop files onto these icons
and they will be launched with that file! Oooh! The wonders of modern
technology.

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                                                          - Warp

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> Dre <aus### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Thats fine, but then which version fires up when I say open a .pov file in 
>> explorer??  Depends on the file association.  I dont want to have to check 
>> whether its version 3.6 or 3.7b everytime so what if its set to 3.6, then it 
>> wont use 3.7, if its set to 3.7, then when it runs out, my associations 
>> break.   Or if I have the association set to 3.6, I have 3.7 open, then 
>> flick back to windows explorer, double click on a different .pov and it 
>> opens up in 3.6, not in 3.7, pita.  There are *many* more examples.
> 
>> All stuff I dont want to waste my (precious) spare time with so hence wont 
>> use betas that time out.
> 
>   Did you know that you can create shortcut icons in your desktop? These
> can be used to launch any binary you want.
> 
>   And now an awesome tip: You can even drag&drop files onto these icons
> and they will be launched with that file! Oooh! The wonders of modern
> technology.

Maybe there's something to learn from this.

While the operations you describe are quite simple, maybe more testers
could be attracted if the download of the beta was accompanied by a
quick guide of "how to cope with 2 POV-Ray versions at the same time".

Fabien.

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"Fa3ien" <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> wrote in message 
news:470a1add@news.povray.org...
> Maybe there's something to learn from this.
>
> While the operations you describe are quite simple, maybe more testers
> could be attracted if the download of the beta was accompanied by a
> quick guide of "how to cope with 2 POV-Ray versions at the same time".

I don't see how it's the POV-team's task to teach the users how to use their 
operating system ?

cu!
-- 
#macro G(b,e)b+(e-b)*C/50#end#macro _(b,e,k,l)#local C=0;#while(C<50)
sphere{G(b,e)+3*z.1pigment{rgb G(k,l)}finish{ambient 1}}#local C=C+1;
#end#end _(y-x,y,x,x+y)_(y,-x-y,x+y,y)_(-x-y,-y,y,y+z)_(-y,y,y+z,x+y)
_(0x+y.5+y/2x)_(0x-y.5+y/2x)            // ZK http://www.povplace.com

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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:12:02 +0200, Zeger Knaepen wrote:

> I don't see how it's the POV-team's task to teach the users how to use
> their operating system ?

I don't entirely disagree with this, but at the same time, if the team 
wants the public to help out with beta testing, making it difficult to do 
so (or rather, not making it easy/easier) doesn't encourage the average 
user to do so...

Jim

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message 
news:4709fcbf@news.povray.org...
> Dre <aus### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> I dont like having to muck around with applications when they stop 
>> working
>> when I want to use them.  I have little spare time as it is and having to
>> waste time to make things work before I can do my work is frustrating so 
>> I
>> just dont bother.
>
>  So, you have two shortcut icons in your desktop: One to launch pov3.6 and
> the other to launch pov3.7. Apparently it's an enormous waste of time to
> choose one instead of the other. Right.
>
>  For me, at least, it takes something like 1 second to make the choice.
>
> -- 
>                                                          - Warp

Yep, then there are the file associations etc.  All it takes is for pov to 
fire up the wrong version just once...

There are many reasons why it doesn't work for me, it may work for you, but 
not for me, hence why I wont beta test.

Cheers Dre

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message 
news:4709fd26@news.povray.org...
> Dre <aus### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Thats fine, but then which version fires up when I say open a .pov file 
>> in
>> explorer??  Depends on the file association.  I dont want to have to 
>> check
>> whether its version 3.6 or 3.7b everytime so what if its set to 3.6, then 
>> it
>> wont use 3.7, if its set to 3.7, then when it runs out, my associations
>> break.   Or if I have the association set to 3.6, I have 3.7 open, then
>> flick back to windows explorer, double click on a different .pov and it
>> opens up in 3.6, not in 3.7, pita.  There are *many* more examples.
>
>> All stuff I dont want to waste my (precious) spare time with so hence 
>> wont
>> use betas that time out.
>
>  Did you know that you can create shortcut icons in your desktop? These
> can be used to launch any binary you want.
>
>  And now an awesome tip: You can even drag&drop files onto these icons
> and they will be launched with that file! Oooh! The wonders of modern
> technology.
>
> -- 
>                                                          - Warp

Yes I fully understand how to use Windows thanks very much!

How I have my computer set up atm works fine for me, using 2 different 
versions of pov *doesn't* work for me.

For this reason I also dont use mega or ml pov.

I dont know why you are getting so fired up about this, but hey whatever 
floats your boat, use as many versions of pov as you like and fill up your 
desktop with useless shortcuts, *I* dont work like this.

Cheers Dre

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"Zeger Knaepen" <zeg### [at] povplacecom> wrote in message 
news:470a2ca3@news.povray.org...
> "Fa3ien" <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> wrote in message 
> news:470a1add@news.povray.org...
>> Maybe there's something to learn from this.
>>
>> While the operations you describe are quite simple, maybe more testers
>> could be attracted if the download of the beta was accompanied by a
>> quick guide of "how to cope with 2 POV-Ray versions at the same time".
>
> I don't see how it's the POV-team's task to teach the users how to use 
> their operating system ?
>
> cu!
> -- 
> #macro G(b,e)b+(e-b)*C/50#end#macro _(b,e,k,l)#local C=0;#while(C<50)
> sphere{G(b,e)+3*z.1pigment{rgb G(k,l)}finish{ambient 1}}#local C=C+1;
> #end#end _(y-x,y,x,x+y)_(y,-x-y,x+y,y)_(-x-y,-y,y,y+z)_(-y,y,y+z,x+y)
> _(0x+y.5+y/2x)_(0x-y.5+y/2x)            // ZK http://www.povplace.com
>

<deep sigh> I dont have trouble using my operating system!!!!

The way I work is the way I work, having to muck around with different 
versions simply doesn't gel, hence why I dont do it.

Simple as that.

Now, back to lurking, next time I keep my mouth shut, seesh!

Cheers Dre

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Dre wrote:
> "Zeger Knaepen" <zeg### [at] povplacecom> wrote in message 
> news:470a2ca3@news.povray.org...
>> "Fa3ien" <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> wrote in message 
>> news:470a1add@news.povray.org...
>>> Maybe there's something to learn from this.
>>>
>>> While the operations you describe are quite simple, maybe more testers
>>> could be attracted if the download of the beta was accompanied by a
>>> quick guide of "how to cope with 2 POV-Ray versions at the same time".
>> I don't see how it's the POV-team's task to teach the users how to use 
>> their operating system ?
>>
>> cu!
>> -- 
>> #macro G(b,e)b+(e-b)*C/50#end#macro _(b,e,k,l)#local C=0;#while(C<50)
>> sphere{G(b,e)+3*z.1pigment{rgb G(k,l)}finish{ambient 1}}#local C=C+1;
>> #end#end _(y-x,y,x,x+y)_(y,-x-y,x+y,y)_(-x-y,-y,y,y+z)_(-y,y,y+z,x+y)
>> _(0x+y.5+y/2x)_(0x-y.5+y/2x)            // ZK http://www.povplace.com
>>
> 
> <deep sigh> I dont have trouble using my operating system!!!!
> 
> The way I work is the way I work, having to muck around with different 
> versions simply doesn't gel, hence why I dont do it.
> 
> Simple as that.
> 
> Now, back to lurking, next time I keep my mouth shut, seesh!

why? the community is split on this and you happen to be in one side. 
Even if others think this as a holy war, that does not mean it is.

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