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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: About PovRay 4
Date: 16 Dec 2003 10:40:31
Message: <3fdf276f$1@news.povray.org>
Ken wrote:
> 
> Gilles Tran wrote:
> 
> 
>>People used to this are certainly puzzled by POV-Ray's slow development
>>pace, which favours stability and usability over new features, and I found
>>that this simple concept wasn't quite clear for many people. Possibly this
>>could be explained somewhere.
> 
> 
> It is partially explained here -
> http://news.povray.org/povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions/26102/?tmax=100
> 

Once a post on these groups mentioned the number of downloads POV gets 
per month.  It was a very impressive figure.  Would there be any harm in 
advertising it on the homepage?


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From: St 
Subject: Re: About PovRay 4
Date: 16 Dec 2003 15:04:07
Message: <3fdf6537@news.povray.org>
"ABX" <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote in message
news:huottv8ip5lglngcmge0b7mq0u0o16oh8j@4ax.com...
> On 16 Dec 2003 05:48:17 -0500, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi
<lor### [at] onocom>
> wrote:
> > Is simple curiosity. Because PovRay 3.5 have a date of 2002 and i
dont know
> > if the "project" stay alive, or 3.5 was the last pov.
>
> What sign would you like to expect to see to know it is alive? In
other words
> what you did to verify POV activity yourself? I do not expect you
know every
> thread on this newsserver but no dubts large number of posts on this
server
> has meaning. Why new entries appear in 'News' sections on the
website with
> lack of 'POV-Ray is dead'? Why informations for Windows 2003 and
note about
> beta for MacPOV-3.5.1 appeared on download page? What is said in faq
group
> about POV4? AFAIK 3.5.1 (bugfix release) is under development and
IIRC will be
> released when will be ready, thought if you know any bug you would
expect to
> be fixed it has to be known with well written bug report first.
Please, say to
> your friend that we all wish to have POV-Ray 4 with two zeros in
year number
> ;-)

 LOL! Heheh... Now please calm down Mr. ABX...

   Have you had some coffee yet..?   ;)

   ~Steve~


>
> ABX


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From: Apache
Subject: Re: About PovRay 4
Date: 16 Dec 2003 21:46:46
Message: <3fdfc396$1@news.povray.org>
Depends on the timescale


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: About PovRay 4
Date: 16 Dec 2003 22:31:55
Message: <3FDFCE83.1BA8C37D@pacbell.net>
Jim Charter wrote:

> Once a post on these groups mentioned the number of downloads POV gets
> per month.  It was a very impressive figure.  Would there be any harm in
> advertising it on the homepage?

Collecting and compiling the data takes time and there are other things more
pressing right now. However...

If I am reading the www server stats correctly, the Windows version had around
16,933 downloads in the month of November alone. This doesn't take into account
the number of people who downloaded it more than once, had a dropped carrier and
had to start over, or people who intentionally or accidentally clicked the link
and decided not to finish the download for what ever reason. That is simply the
number of hits on the download link. Getting accurate individual download numbers
is intrinsically problematic and in no way fool proof.

-- 
Ken Tyler


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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: About PovRay 4
Date: 16 Dec 2003 22:33:02
Message: <3fdfce6e@news.povray.org>
"ABX" <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote in message
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>  In other words what you did to verify POV activity yourself?

He's verifying by asking in this server.

Take it easy gentlemen.  Just because you're tired of answering the question
doesn't make it an obtusively stupid one in all cases it's asked.


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: About PovRay 4
Date: 17 Dec 2003 00:49:15
Message: <3fdfee5b$1@news.povray.org>
Ken wrote:

> 
> Jim Charter wrote:
> 
> 
>>Once a post on these groups mentioned the number of downloads POV gets
>>per month.  It was a very impressive figure.  Would there be any harm in
>>advertising it on the homepage?
> 
> 
> Collecting and compiling the data takes time and there are other things more
> pressing right now. However...
> 
> If I am reading the www server stats correctly, the Windows version had around
> 16,933 downloads in the month of November alone. This doesn't take into account
> the number of people who downloaded it more than once, had a dropped carrier and
> had to start over, or people who intentionally or accidentally clicked the link
> and decided not to finish the download for what ever reason. That is simply the
> number of hits on the download link. Getting accurate individual download numbers
> is intrinsically problematic and in no way fool proof.
> 
Oh sure, but still, could that much interest each month be generated by 
a dead or invalid product?  Like I said, I found it impressive, but 
maybe I am easily impressed ;-)  If only 1% of the hits represent valid 
new interest, I am still impressed.  It suggests to me that there is a 
whole range of ways POV is being used that I can't even imagine.  I 
wonder what the download hits on the Blender site total per month.  I am 
sure its heating up now they went gpl, still it would be interesting to 
know.

Anyway, guys like me are safe to toss around odd ball ideas because 
there are guys like you who think it through more clearly.  Thanks for 
looking into it.


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From: Giuseppe Luigi Punzi
Subject: Re: About PovRay 4
Date: 17 Dec 2003 04:08:39
Message: <Xns9454673115FB1lordzealon@204.213.191.226>
ABX <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote in
news:huottv8ip5lglngcmge0b7mq0u0o16oh8j@4ax.com: 

> On 16 Dec 2003 05:48:17 -0500, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi
> <lor### [at] onocom> wrote:
>> Is simple curiosity. Because PovRay 3.5 have a date of 2002 and i
>> dont know if the "project" stay alive, or 3.5 was the last pov.
> 
> What sign would you like to expect to see to know it is alive? In
> other words what you did to verify POV activity yourself? I do not
> expect you know every thread on this newsserver but no dubts large
> number of posts on this server has meaning. Why new entries appear in
> 'News' sections on the website with lack of 'POV-Ray is dead'? Why
> informations for Windows 2003 and note about beta for MacPOV-3.5.1
> appeared on download page? What is said in faq group about POV4? AFAIK
> 3.5.1 (bugfix release) is under development and IIRC will be released
> when will be ready, thought if you know any bug you would expect to 
> be fixed it has to be known with well written bug report first.
> Please, say to your friend that we all wish to have POV-Ray 4 with two
> zeros in year number ;-)
> 
> ABX
> 

I don't know if i understand.

Then. Pov-Ray 4 (or 3.5.1) is in develop phase. But with new internal 


And then, Pov-Ray 4 it will be someday of the next year (for example).

Thanks, and sorry for my bad english.


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From: ABX
Subject: Re: About PovRay 4
Date: 17 Dec 2003 04:19:41
Message: <of60uvobp868hn3fbovagfh6hluhsg6ie6@4ax.com>
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:02:48 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> LOL! Heheh... Now please calm down Mr. ABX...

That's probably my english formulation because I wasn't upset at all. I just
tried to describe what would I do myself to verify what's about POV4 and
current development. I'm surprised it sounded agresively and it wasn't my
intention. Sorry for that.

>   Have you had some coffee yet..?   ;)

Two at that time.

ABX


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From: Stephen McAvoy
Subject: Re: About PovRay 4
Date: 17 Dec 2003 04:30:10
Message: <1g80uv03po0p0girj7d05tcvueh596akk3@4ax.com>
On 17 Dec 2003 04:08:39 -0500, Giuseppe Luigi Punzi <lor### [at] onocom> wrote:

>I don't know if i understand.
>
>Then. Pov-Ray 4 (or 3.5.1) is in develop phase. But with new internal 

>
>And then, Pov-Ray 4 it will be someday of the next year (for example).

IIRC (If I remember correctly) Pov-Ray 3.5.1 is a maintenance release (bug fix).
Pov-Ray 4.0 is under development and will be released when it is ready. There is
no timetable for this.

>Thanks, and sorry for my bad english.
 It's not that bad :-}

Regards
        Stephen


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From: Dave Matthews
Subject: Re: About PovRay 4
Date: 17 Dec 2003 09:05:01
Message: <web.3fe061f03dc78f6d8062416c0@news.povray.org>
Jim Charter wrote:
>It suggests to me that there is a
>whole range of ways POV is being used that I can't even imagine.

This is what always impresses me about POVRay and its versatility.  I use it
jsut about every day in "orthographic" mode as a 2D graphing calculator in
my classrooms (thanks to Freidrich Lohmueller for this idea!); of course,
it is invaluable when teaching vector calculus.  And I've hardly begun to
scratch the surface of the mathematical teaching applications, much less
those in research and visualization (witness what Paul Bourke, among
others, does.)  And that's just math. . . . And that's just educational
uses. . . .

POVRay 4 -- my goodness!  Hold your horses! (as we say in Midwest US.)  I'm
still struggling with 3.5.  It reminds me of when I was a student at the
University of Nebraska, and people complained about the lack of funding for
a new library (while the sports teams spent -- and generated -- their
millions.)  I used to reply, "So I guess this means that you've finished
reading all the books in the old one, huh."

When it comes out, I'll be overwhelmed by it; in the meantime, I'll just
continue to be overwhelmed by 3.5.

Dave Matthews


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