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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: PNG to MPEG
Date: 28 Jul 2003 18:15:12
Message: <MPG.198f4d5815abd00b989848@news.povray.org>
Seems the people at TMPGEnc are suffering from Digital Rube Goldberg 
Syndrome. You may not have heard of it, but I am sure you have seen it. 
The symptoms are having someone write a program to do something 
incredibly useful, then they stare at you, like you have grown an extra 
head, when you ask them why they don't add support for something that 
could let you do something in one step with their program, but currently 
requires 10 steps and 5 other programs to accomplish. lol (Ok. Maybe 2-3 
programs and steps in this case, but that isn't much better imho.)

In any case, I recently ran all the animation samples from POV-Ray, with 
the output set to PNG. You know, 'in order to maintain the correct 
colors, the image quality and still save space.' Totally novel concept I 
know. ;) I ended up having to batch convert all the damn things into BMP 
and just about gave Windows a heart attack on one set of 600 images when 
it started to run out of disk space. So... the questions I have are:

1. Is there anything out there that will do what TMPGEnc won't and 
compress PNG into an MPEG stream? If not, then >

2. Are AVI compressed at all and if so, how much image quality loss do 
you have to worry about when using TMPGEnc to convert them to an MPEG 
stream. If they are compressed and the result of the second compression 
to MPEG isn't a disaster >

3. Is there actually anything out there that will create an AVI from PNG 
files.

-- 
void main () {

    call functional_code()
  else
    call crash_windows();
}


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From: Pascal
Subject: Re: PNG to MPEG
Date: 28 Jul 2003 18:32:24
Message: <3f25a478$1@news.povray.org>
Maybe transcode (not sure if there is a Windows version, though)
This thing is a must have (video swiss knife). Far from perfect, but quite
usefull.
Not sure it does PNG to MPEG, but it sure does a lot of format conversion.

http://www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode

regards,
--
Pascal.


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From: mcavoys
Subject: Re: PNG to MPEG
Date: 28 Jul 2003 18:39:17
Message: <3f25a5fe.128368143@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:10:50 -0700, Patrick Elliott <sha### [at] hotmailcom>
wrote:

>1. Is there anything out there that will do what TMPGEnc won't and 
>compress PNG into an MPEG stream? If not, then >
>
My copy of  TMPGEnc 2.5 converts Pov created png's to mpg

Regards
        Stephen


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From: Peter Hertel
Subject: Re: PNG to MPEG
Date: 28 Jul 2003 18:49:22
Message: <3f25a872@news.povray.org>
> 3. Is there actually anything out there that will create an AVI from
PNG
> files.
Animation shop (comes with Paint shop pro) does PNG (and "every" other
largely used format) to avi (divx/xvid etc)
It's not good (fast) at handling animations with a lot of frames though.
( I think my 450mhz kneeled at 500-1000 frames IIRC)
You can get a trial version at www.jasc.com


-Peter


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From: Breton Slivka
Subject: Re: PNG to MPEG
Date: 28 Jul 2003 23:20:42
Message: <Xns93C6D9AC1EF17ZenPsychoyahoocom@204.213.191.226>
the answers to all your hopes and dreams are contained within this link:
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.utilities/15796/


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From: Dick Balaska
Subject: Re: PNG to MPEG
Date: 28 Jul 2003 23:28:25
Message: <t7qbiv4eqab60uf61cju1aue16p5vpmnk6@4ax.com>
Also sprach mca### [at] aolcom (S McAvoy) -- Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:39:16 GMT:

>On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:10:50 -0700, Patrick Elliott <sha### [at] hotmailcom>
>wrote:
>
>>1. Is there anything out there that will do what TMPGEnc won't and 
>>compress PNG into an MPEG stream? If not, then >
>>
>My copy of  TMPGEnc 2.5 converts Pov created png's to mpg

Yes, mine does too.  You need to fetch the addin.
See p.b.u "PNG reader for TMPGEnc" Peter Harris 2001-02-08

dik


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: PNG to MPEG
Date: 28 Jul 2003 23:32:07
Message: <MPG.198f97967fa24161989849@news.povray.org>
In article <3f25a5fe.128368143@news.povray.org>, mca### [at] aolcom (S 
McAvoy) says...
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:10:50 -0700, Patrick Elliott <sha### [at] hotmailcom>
> wrote:
> 
> >1. Is there anything out there that will do what TMPGEnc won't and 
> >compress PNG into an MPEG stream? If not, then >
> >
> My copy of  TMPGEnc 2.5 converts Pov created png's to mpg
> 
Odd.. That is the one I just downloaded. It doesn't list PNG as a valid 
file type in the input box. It also generates and error when it tries to 
read one you enter manually. Unless you are using the Pro version or 
something and it has extra support of formats or there is some sort of 
plugin for it....

In any case, it seems the person that answered me on the forum for 
TMPGEnc misinterpreted what I said initially. For some reason any 
'serious' attempt by me to explain things and make suggestions causes 
this to happen. lol Turns out you can use something called AviSynth to do 
this, or AviSynth combined with one called VirtualDubMod.

VirtualDubMod appears to let you edit and tweak the 'stream' before 
encoding. This includes changing the frame rate, etc. Something that 
kind of bugs me about TMPGEnc anyway, since I would love to be able to 
tell it 'this video should be more or less 2 minutes long' and have it 
set the correct frame rate to make it that long.

AviSynth though appears to work like a codec, only it runs a script that 
will process each frame as needed, I.e. converting from PNG to something 
TMPGEnc or players understand for each frame. The nice thing about this 
is you could probably write an include that could automatically generate 
the script needed to either play back the existing images through a media 
player, without encoding them to MPEG, or to feed them to TMPGEnc in 
order to perform the encoding.

The links are:

http://www.avisynth.org/

http://virtualdubmod.sourceforge.net/?page=faq

I still think my Rube Goldberg Syndrome is all too real when dealing with 
POV-Ray though. ;) lol

-- 
void main () {

    call functional_code()
  else
    call crash_windows();
}


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From: Tom Galvin
Subject: Re: PNG to MPEG
Date: 29 Jul 2003 00:40:30
Message: <Xns93C76B2D4362tomatimporg@204.213.191.226>
Breton Slivka <blah> wrote in news:Xns93C6D9AC1EF17ZenPsychoyahoocom@
204.213.191.226:

> the answers to all your hopes and dreams are contained within this link:
> http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.utilities/15796/
> 
> 

Do you think Mr. Harris is aware of how much we love his gift?

-- 
Tom
_________________________________
The Internet Movie Project
http://www.imp.org/


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From: tommy
Subject: Re: PNG to MPEG
Date: 29 Jul 2003 01:40:01
Message: <web.3f2607a127dda6cea472d3920@news.povray.org>
Try RadTools (Bink and Smacker)...  It can do bunch conversion (audio, video
at different compression rate) and has AVI and MPEG output (as well as all
pic format)...  I downloaded it one year ago and it was totally free at
this time... A great tool for doing animation and game...  Anyway, check
their website at http://www.radgametools.com/bnkadvan.htm



Tommy
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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: PNG to MPEG
Date: 29 Jul 2003 16:40:22
Message: <MPG.1990889f14d1108398984a@news.povray.org>
In article <t7qbiv4eqab60uf61cju1aue16p5vpmnk6@4ax.com>, 
dik### [at] seeorganizationfield says...
> Also sprach mca### [at] aolcom (S McAvoy) -- Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:39:16 GMT:
> 
> >On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:10:50 -0700, Patrick Elliott <sha### [at] hotmailcom>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>1. Is there anything out there that will do what TMPGEnc won't and 
> >>compress PNG into an MPEG stream? If not, then >
> >>
> >My copy of  TMPGEnc 2.5 converts Pov created png's to mpg
> 
> Yes, mine does too.  You need to fetch the addin.
> See p.b.u "PNG reader for TMPGEnc" Peter Harris 2001-02-08
> 

Thanks, maybe a search on that will turn it up. lol The several attempts 
I made failed to turn anything useful up.

-- 
void main () {

    call functional_code()
  else
    call crash_windows();
}


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