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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Repeating texture sprite
Date: 1 Mar 2016 02:24:55
Message: <56d543c7$1@news.povray.org>
On 2/29/2016 10:03 PM, Bald Eagle wrote:
>
http://news.povray.org/povray.general/message/%3C01bde695%2434006a80%246a0e8dc3%40default%3E/#%3C01bde695%2434006a80%24
> 6a0e8dc3%40default%3E

Maybe here:

http://www.reocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/1434/otherincludes.html

https://web.archive.org/web/19991106003247/http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/1434/otherincludes.html


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Repeating texture sprite
Date: 1 Mar 2016 02:25:39
Message: <56d543f3$1@news.povray.org>
On 2/29/2016 8:20 AM, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Not _quite_ following what you need.
> Did you need to make these things:
> http://uploads.gamedev.net/monthly_06_2011/ccs-8549-0-57863900-1307467523_thumb.gif
>   ?
>
>
>
>


Yes, exactly. I was hoping to avoid using Photoshop however. I want to 
do everything in POV-Ray.


Mike


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Repeating texture sprite
Date: 1 Mar 2016 02:50:26
Message: <56d549c2$1@news.povray.org>
On 1-3-2016 4:03, Bald Eagle wrote:
> I also just found this, from ... 1998
>
>
http://news.povray.org/povray.general/message/%3C01bde695%2434006a80%246a0e8dc3%40default%3E/#%3C01bde695%2434006a80%24
> 6a0e8dc3%40default%3E
>
> Does anyone have a copy of this include file squirreled away on their hard
> drive?
> TdG probably has it, but it might take him all week to find it...   :D
>
> Sounds pretty interesting though.
>
>
>


cough! cough! Lots of dust in my attic...

Here it is.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Repeating texture sprite
Date: 1 Mar 2016 03:08:54
Message: <56d54e16@news.povray.org>
On 2/29/2016 8:20 AM, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Not _quite_ following what you need.
> Did you need to make these things:
> http://uploads.gamedev.net/monthly_06_2011/ccs-8549-0-57863900-1307467523_thumb.gif
>   ?
>
>
>
>


Here are the images again, but clearer.


Mike


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Repeating texture sprite
Date: 1 Mar 2016 05:08:21
Message: <56d56a15$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/1/2016 2:50 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 1-3-2016 4:03, Bald Eagle wrote:
>> I also just found this, from ... 1998
>>
>>
http://news.povray.org/povray.general/message/%3C01bde695%2434006a80%246a0e8dc3%40default%3E/#%3C01bde695%2434006a80%24
>>
>> 6a0e8dc3%40default%3E
>>
>> Does anyone have a copy of this include file squirreled away on their
>> hard
>> drive?
>> TdG probably has it, but it might take him all week to find it...   :D
>>
>> Sounds pretty interesting though.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> cough! cough! Lots of dust in my attic...
>
> Here it is.
>


I played around with this a bit. It seems it creates images that can be 
imported and used in subsequent scenes as repeating textures, but not 
repeating flat textures that can be used within the *same* scene. Unless 
I'm missing something.


Mike


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Repeating texture sprite
Date: 1 Mar 2016 08:40:01
Message: <web.56d59b683999a405e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
"Go go POV-Ray newsgroup!"
"Activate: Colefax Include file!"

:O

Thanks for all the links.
There's a bunch of includes I'm sure I'll love playing with.


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Repeating texture sprite
Date: 1 Mar 2016 10:05:01
Message: <web.56d5af013999a405e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
Mike Horvath <mik### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

> I played around with this a bit. It seems it creates images that can be
> imported and used in subsequent scenes as repeating textures, but not
> repeating flat textures that can be used within the *same* scene. Unless
> I'm missing something.
>
>
> Mike

I guess I'm not quite following what exactly it is that you're trying to
accomplish.
Could you expand upon what "... but not repeating flat textures that can be used
within the *same* scene" means?

I sliced up that little island/water jpg and played around with the tiles, but
it's not clear to me how you're intending to arrange them.  There are only 8
tiles, whereas I _did_ understand the logic behind the 9-tile system that
Anthony posted.  I couldn't get those tiles to do much, and after using 6, I
only had a choppy cubist reef and 2 extra tiles that seemed unusable or
redundant.

Maybe throw together a diagram or two to illustrate the goal - even if it's on
real quick on paper and photographed with a cellphone.  ;)


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Repeating texture sprite
Date: 1 Mar 2016 10:30:00
Message: <web.56d5b49c3999a405e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
http://www.jazz2online.com/tilesets/programs.php

http://www.verycomputer.com/275_080d1f45e2064eba_1.htm

Just posting these here - because.  :D


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Repeating texture sprite
Date: 1 Mar 2016 12:03:05
Message: <56d5cb49$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/1/2016 10:02 AM, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Mike Horvath <mik### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>
>> I played around with this a bit. It seems it creates images that can be
>> imported and used in subsequent scenes as repeating textures, but not
>> repeating flat textures that can be used within the *same* scene. Unless
>> I'm missing something.
>>
>>
>> Mike
>
> I guess I'm not quite following what exactly it is that you're trying to
> accomplish.
> Could you expand upon what "... but not repeating flat textures that can be used
> within the *same* scene" means?
>

I want to create an flat textured object (such as a polygon or plane) 
that is parallel to the ground; and that through clever manipulation 
within POV-Ray itself can be used to create a series of frames like this:

http://uploads.gamedev.net/monthly_06_2011/ccs-8549-0-57863900-1307467523.gif

Except that I want them to be isometric. Think in terms of the old 
strategy game Civilization II.

Here's an image chosen at random using Google that shows what an 
isometric game sprite looks like:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/25/bb/8425bb96e5bcb75a8ef3a9c8fbde1bd2.jpg

If you look at Chris Colefax's Tile Generator carefully, you'll find it 
creates a 3D scene - not a 2D scene - that is meant to be looked at from 
one and only one direction. Therefore, I cannot use it in an isometric 
scene.

I want to do 99% of the work in POV-Ray, not using some third-party tool 
or Photoshop.

A short recap:

1. The object needs to be a flat textured POV-Ray object - maybe a 
polygon - that is parallel with the ground.
2. By translating the object, its texture or the camera it should 
produce a sprite suitable for use in an isometric video game.
3. The texture needs to repeat in such a way that when several of these 
sprites are arranged next to each other, the transition will be seamless.
4. I want to use POV-Ray as much as possible instead of relying on 
external tools.


> I sliced up that little island/water jpg and played around with the tiles,

What jpg are you talking about?


  but
> it's not clear to me how you're intending to arrange them.  There are only 8
> tiles, whereas I _did_ understand the logic behind the 9-tile system that
> Anthony posted.  I couldn't get those tiles to do much, and after using 6, I
> only had a choppy cubist reef and 2 extra tiles that seemed unusable or
> redundant.
>
> Maybe throw together a diagram or two to illustrate the goal - even if it's on
> real quick on paper and photographed with a cellphone.  ;)
>
>
>
>
>


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Repeating texture sprite
Date: 1 Mar 2016 12:17:44
Message: <56d5ceb8$1@news.povray.org>
On 2/29/2016 10:49 AM, Bald Eagle wrote:
> http://www.mapeditor.org/    looked interesting if you're doing that kind of
> work.

I looked at this too, and I can't tell if it's capable of creating all 
32 of the sprites stipulated in the first article I linked to. I think 
it just creates a smaller subset of them.


Mike


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