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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Typo's in the 3.7 Installe'r an'd PO'V we'b sit'e
Date: 3 Jul 2015 16:22:23
Message: <5596eeff@news.povray.org>
I had to change PCs, and thus had to reinstall POV.

At the end of the install, it asks if we want to install the editor 
"DLL's" and sends us to the POV site where we can download the "DLL's"

Excpet plurals don't use apostrophes.  It should be "DLLs".
-- 
/*Francois Labreque*/#local a=x+y;#local b=x+a;#local c=a+b;#macro P(F//
/*    flabreque    */L)polygon{5,F,F+z,L+z,L,F pigment{rgb 9}}#end union
/*        @        */{P(0,a)P(a,b)P(b,c)P(2*a,2*b)P(2*b,b+c)P(b+c,<2,3>)
/*   gmail.com     */}camera{orthographic location<6,1.25,-6>look_at a }


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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: Typo's in the 3.7 Installe'r an'd PO'V we'b sit'e
Date: 3 Jul 2015 17:16:02
Message: <5596fb92$1@news.povray.org>
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Le 03/07/2015 22:22, Francois Labreque a écrit :
> I had to change PCs, and thus had to reinstall POV.
> 
> At the end of the install, it asks if we want to install the
> editor "DLL's" and sends us to the POV site where we can download
> the "DLL's"
> 
> Excpet plurals don't use apostrophes.  It should be "DLLs".

Even on acronym ?
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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Typo's in the 3.7 Installe'r an'd PO'V we'b sit'e
Date: 3 Jul 2015 22:21:27
Message: <55974327@news.povray.org>
Le 15-07-03 17:16, Le_Forgeron a écrit :

>
> Le 03/07/2015 22:22, Francois Labreque a écrit :
>> I had to change PCs, and thus had to reinstall POV.
>>
>> At the end of the install, it asks if we want to install the
>> editor "DLL's" and sends us to the POV site where we can download
>> the "DLL's"
>>
>> Excpet plurals don't use apostrophes.  It should be "DLLs".
>
> Even on acronym ?

Yes

The apostrophe denote a pocessive, never plural.

So, it should be "editor's DLLs"


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Typo's in the 3.7 Installe'r an'd PO'V we'b sit'e
Date: 3 Jul 2015 23:39:44
Message: <55975580$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 03 Jul 2015 23:16:02 +0200, Le_Forgeron wrote:

>> Excpet plurals don't use apostrophes.  It should be "DLLs".
> 
> Even on acronym ?

Generally, yes.  Certainly the technical writing guides I use strongly 
discourage it, but there are some style guides that do use an apostrophe 
(even though it's wrong to do so. ;) )

Jim



-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Typo's in the 3.7 Installe'r an'd PO'V we'b sit'e
Date: 6 Jul 2015 08:42:12
Message: <559a77a4$1@news.povray.org>
> I had to change PCs, and thus had to reinstall POV.
>
> At the end of the install, it asks if we want to install the editor
> "DLL's" and sends us to the POV site where we can download the "DLL's"
>
> Excpet plurals don't use apostrophes.  It should be "DLLs".

Except not always. DLL's is acceptable, DLLs is also ok, as is the fact 
that there are too many e's in this sentence, or that so many 6's come 
up when I roll dice.

Usually you'd use an apostrophe for an acronym plurar to avoid any 
possible ambiguity (eg if "DLLS" was an equally valid acronym, you 
wouldn't write DLLs for a plural). In this case though I don't think it 
matters.


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: Typo's in the 3.7 Installe'r an'd PO'V we'b sit'e
Date: 6 Jul 2015 09:15:23
Message: <559a7f6b$1@news.povray.org>
Le 2015-07-06 08:42, scott a écrit :
>> I had to change PCs, and thus had to reinstall POV.
>>
>> At the end of the install, it asks if we want to install the editor
>> "DLL's" and sends us to the POV site where we can download the "DLL's"
>>
>> Excpet plurals don't use apostrophes.  It should be "DLLs".
>
> Except not always. DLL's is acceptable, DLLs is also ok, as is the fact
> that there are too many e's in this sentence, or that so many 6's come
> up when I roll dice.
>
> Usually you'd use an apostrophe for an acronym plurar to avoid any
> possible ambiguity (eg if "DLLS" was an equally valid acronym, you
> wouldn't write DLLs for a plural). In this case though I don't think it
> matters.
>
That's a new one!  So, you're saying the plural of GP shouldn't be GPs, 
because GPS is another viable acronym?

-- 
/*Francois Labreque*/#local a=x+y;#local b=x+a;#local c=a+b;#macro P(F//
/*    flabreque    */L)polygon{5,F,F+z,L+z,L,F pigment{rgb 9}}#end union
/*        @        */{P(0,a)P(a,b)P(b,c)P(2*a,2*b)P(2*b,b+c)P(b+c,<2,3>)
/*   gmail.com     */}camera{orthographic location<6,1.25,-6>look_at a }


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Typo's in the 3.7 Installe'r an'd PO'V we'b sit'e
Date: 6 Jul 2015 09:20:08
Message: <559a8088$1@news.povray.org>
On 7/6/2015 1:42 PM, scott wrote:
> as is the fact that there are too many e's in this sentence, or that so
> many 6's come up when I roll dice.


So, that's where my pills went. ;-)

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Typo's in the 3.7 Installe'r an'd PO'V we'b sit'e
Date: 6 Jul 2015 11:01:57
Message: <559a9865@news.povray.org>
Am 06.07.2015 um 14:42 schrieb scott:
>> I had to change PCs, and thus had to reinstall POV.
>>
>> At the end of the install, it asks if we want to install the editor
>> "DLL's" and sends us to the POV site where we can download the "DLL's"
>>
>> Excpet plurals don't use apostrophes.  It should be "DLLs".
>
> Except not always. DLL's is acceptable, DLLs is also ok, as is the fact
> that there are too many e's in this sentence, or that so many 6's come
> up when I roll dice.
>
> Usually you'd use an apostrophe for an acronym plurar to avoid any
> possible ambiguity (eg if "DLLS" was an equally valid acronym, you
> wouldn't write DLLs for a plural). In this case though I don't think it
> matters.

The use of apostrophes for plural of both all-caps and all-digits 
"words" to avoid ambiguity seems to have been common teaching some 
decades ago (to my surprise; maybe it was an American thing), but 
according to Oxford Dictionaries (not to be confused with the OED, from 
which I couldn't find an answer) nowadays it is being strongly discouraged:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/apostrophe

It might have had to do with old information technology where lowercase 
letters were not always available. (Telegraphy, anyone?)


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Typo's in the 3.7 Installe'r an'd PO'V we'b sit'e
Date: 6 Jul 2015 11:24:02
Message: <559a9d92$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:42:11 +0100, scott wrote:

>> I had to change PCs, and thus had to reinstall POV.
>>
>> At the end of the install, it asks if we want to install the editor
>> "DLL's" and sends us to the POV site where we can download the "DLL's"
>>
>> Excpet plurals don't use apostrophes.  It should be "DLLs".
> 
> Except not always. DLL's is acceptable, DLLs is also ok, as is the fact
> that there are too many e's in this sentence, or that so many 6's come
> up when I roll dice.
> 
> Usually you'd use an apostrophe for an acronym plurar to avoid any
> possible ambiguity (eg if "DLLS" was an equally valid acronym, you
> wouldn't write DLLs for a plural). In this case though I don't think it
> matters.

As I said, generally, no, apostrophes are not used in acronyms in 
technical writing.

The Microsoft Manual of Style says this:

"In general, form the plural of a noun by adding s. If the noun already 
ends in s, form the plural by adding es. This rule applies to proper 
nouns as well as common nouns.

Microsoft style

the Johnsons

the Joneses

Form the plural of an abbreviation by adding an s with no apostrophe.

Microsoft style

ISVs

DBMSs

If an abbreviation already represents a plural, do not add an s. For 
example, the abbreviation for Microsoft Foundation Classes is MFC, not 
MFCs.

Form the plural of a single letter by adding an apostrophe and an s. The 
letter itself (but not the apostrophe or the ending s) is italic.

Microsoft style

x’s

Form the plural of a number by adding an s with no apostrophe.

Microsoft style

486s

the 1950s"

The Chicago Manual of Style:

"7.14
PLURALS FOR LETTERS , ABBREVIATIONS , AND NUMERALS
Capital letters used as words, numerals used as nouns, and abbreviations 
usually form the plural by adding s. To aid comprehension, lowercase 
letters form the plural with an apostrophe and an s."

(Chicago notes some exceptions in chapter 10, but they're extremely rare).

Jim (technical writer by day)
-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Typo's in the 3.7 Installe'r an'd PO'V we'b sit'e
Date: 6 Jul 2015 11:34:36
Message: <559aa00c$1@news.povray.org>
On 7/6/2015 4:24 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> The Microsoft Manual of Style says this:

'am no' gettin' involved. ;-)

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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