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From: SharkD
Subject: Close newsgroup sub-groups?
Date: 25 Jul 2010 01:36:40
Message: <4c4bcd68$1@news.povray.org>
Since the POV-Ray team is hurting so much for disk space, maybe we 
should close some of the groups? Maybe off-topic?

Discussion comments:
http://bugs.povray.org/task/148#comment342
http://wiki.povray.org/content?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&diff=2768&oldid=2767


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Close newsgroup sub-groups?
Date: 25 Jul 2010 01:47:54
Message: <4c4bd00a$1@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 01:36:39 -0400, SharkD wrote:

> Since the POV-Ray team is hurting so much for disk space, maybe we
> should close some of the groups?

Doesn't seem to me that they're hurting for space, just asking that you 
preview and review so you're not creating unnecessary revisions of 
documents in the wiki.  At least that's my read of those two comments 
from Jim H (the other Jim H, that is).

That seems a reasonable request to me.

Jim


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Close newsgroup sub-groups?
Date: 25 Jul 2010 05:06:02
Message: <4c4bfe7a$1@news.povray.org>
Am 25.07.2010 07:36, schrieb SharkD:
> Since the POV-Ray team is hurting so much for disk space, maybe we
> should close some of the groups? Maybe off-topic?
>
> Discussion comments:
> http://bugs.povray.org/task/148#comment342
> http://wiki.povray.org/content?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&diff=2768&oldid=2767

As far as I can see, disk space has never been mentioned in that 
discussion. There are more reasons than just disk space to ask that you 
keep the number of Wiki page revisions low; for instance it reduces the 
effort needed to review changes. So be a good boy and make Jim's life 
easier, okay? Operating the "preview" button is really simple, and I 
promise it won't bite you.


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From: Jim Holsenback
Subject: Re: Close newsgroup sub-groups?
Date: 25 Jul 2010 10:00:20
Message: <4c4c4374$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/25/2010 02:47 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 01:36:39 -0400, SharkD wrote:
> 
>> Since the POV-Ray team is hurting so much for disk space, maybe we
>> should close some of the groups?
> 
> Doesn't seem to me that they're hurting for space

ha-ha ... He knows that! Just looking for a cage to rattle I guess (in
best Dana Carvey as church lady voice) ... "Now isn't that just special" ;-)


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Close newsgroup sub-groups?
Date: 25 Jul 2010 13:29:49
Message: <4c4c748d@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:00:20 -0300, Jim Holsenback wrote:

> On 07/25/2010 02:47 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 01:36:39 -0400, SharkD wrote:
>> 
>>> Since the POV-Ray team is hurting so much for disk space, maybe we
>>> should close some of the groups?
>> 
>> Doesn't seem to me that they're hurting for space
> 
> ha-ha ... He knows that! Just looking for a cage to rattle I guess (in
> best Dana Carvey as church lady voice) ... "Now isn't that just special"
> ;-)

I suspected as much. :-)

BTW, thank you for taking on the wiki!  I'm sure it's taking a fair bit 
of your free time.  I had really hoped to be able to continue working 
with it, but things just got too busy for me (and I should've said 
something sooner).

Jim


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Close newsgroup sub-groups?
Date: 26 Jul 2010 03:19:29
Message: <4c4d3701$1@news.povray.org>
"clipka" <ano### [at] anonymousorg> schreef in bericht 
news:4c4bfe7a$1@news.povray.org...
> Operating the "preview" button is really simple, and I promise it won't 
> bite you.

Bit bites are nasty, though....   :-)

Thomas


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From: SharkD
Subject: Re: Close newsgroup sub-groups?
Date: 26 Jul 2010 12:46:35
Message: <4c4dbbeb@news.povray.org>
On 7/25/2010 5:05 AM, clipka wrote:
> As far as I can see, disk space has never been mentioned in that
> discussion.

That was the reason that was implied, yes: "Each time you save a file 
you create an entirely new document in the database. Granted it's 
generally text and low-ish overhead..."

> There are more reasons than just disk space to ask that you
> keep the number of Wiki page revisions low; for instance it reduces the
> effort needed to review changes.

Not mentioned anywhere.


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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: Close newsgroup sub-groups?
Date: 26 Jul 2010 12:55:13
Message: <4c4dbdf1$1@news.povray.org>
On 27/07/2010 02:46, SharkD wrote:
>> There are more reasons than just disk space to ask that you
>> keep the number of Wiki page revisions low; for instance it reduces the
>> effort needed to review changes.
>
> Not mentioned anywhere.

I suppose we didn't anticipate the need to mention something that we
considered to be common sense.

-- Chris


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From: CShake
Subject: Re: Close newsgroup sub-groups?
Date: 26 Jul 2010 14:39:49
Message: <4c4dd675$1@news.povray.org>
On 2010-07-26 12:55, Chris Cason wrote:
> On 27/07/2010 02:46, SharkD wrote:
>>> There are more reasons than just disk space to ask that you
>>> keep the number of Wiki page revisions low; for instance it reduces the
>>> effort needed to review changes.
>>
>> Not mentioned anywhere.
>
> I suppose we didn't anticipate the need to mention something that we
> considered to be common sense.
>
> -- Chris

Wikis don't take much space, and 10kb of text (for a large page) is 
really not much in the database after all. But when you have someone who 
doesn't use the preview button and ends up committing 59 revisions in 
which they change one word each time, it can add up. It also clutters 
the Recent Changes page, making it harder for the moderators to see what 
has really been changed.

I'm a sysop on a wiki for a game mod, and I can tell you from personal 
experience that it gets very irritating to look at the changes list and 
see that one page was edited 37 times within 10 minutes by the same 
person (real example). We're also having problems with people not 
knowing how to use the Comment field, and ending up with hundreds of 
edits with no description that require manually viewing the diff.

Sorry, not really contributing here, just an anecdote.

Chris


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From: Jim Holsenback
Subject: Re: Close newsgroup sub-groups?
Date: 26 Jul 2010 15:33:42
Message: <4c4de316$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/26/2010 03:39 PM, CShake wrote:
> I'm a sysop on a wiki for a game mod, and I can tell you from personal
> experience that it gets very irritating to look at the changes list and
> see that one page was edited 37 times within 10 minutes by the same
> person (real example).

thanks ... my point exactly!!


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