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stbenge <THI### [at] hotmail com> wrote:
> Jim Holsenback wrote:
> > and he decided to take it offline for a
> > while, as there was no new real POV contributions being added ....
>
> Why do I feel personally responsible for this? I had two tutorials I
> (publicly) planned on putting up... whenever I figured out how to add my
> own pages. Not that two tutorials would have amounted to much, but just
> look at what happened in p.b.i. the other day. One person commented on
> the lack of images, then this other person posted a couple, and then it
> was a minor flood of images after that. The same could happen to a
> wiki... maybe.
>
> Sam
I have already written several POV tutorials I'd like to transfer to the wiki.
http://gearheadrpg.com/wiki/index.php?title=Guides:Assembling_Sprites
http://gearheadrpg.com/wiki/index.php?title=Guides:Dithering
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quadrant/3864/legobap.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quadrant/3864/legochrom.htm
-Mike
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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:4935070a@news.povray.org...
>
> "Chris Cason" <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote in
> message news:49349f45$1@news.povray.org...
>> Moral: I can't have a publicly-editable wiki without someone monitoring
>> changes
>> (I don't have time). It one or several of you want to enforce proper
>> usage of
>> the wiki and regularly monitor changes (like, at least once a day amongst
>> you)
>> then I'll put it back online more or less immediately.
>
> Count me in ..... I'd be willing to make a daily patrol.
>
> Jim
Hi Chris,
If Nicolas is prepared to keep tabs on an RSS feed and Jim is ok with doing
a manual daily check, then what do you need us to commit to in terms of
'enforcing proper usage' to get the Wiki back up?
Regards,
Chris B.
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"Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
> "Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:4935070a@news.povray.org...
> >
> > "Chris Cason" <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote in
> > message news:49349f45$1@news.povray.org...
> >> Moral: I can't have a publicly-editable wiki without someone monitoring
> >> changes
> >> (I don't have time). It one or several of you want to enforce proper
> >> usage of
> >> the wiki and regularly monitor changes (like, at least once a day amongst
> >> you)
> >> then I'll put it back online more or less immediately.
> >
> > Count me in ..... I'd be willing to make a daily patrol.
> >
> > Jim
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> If Nicolas is prepared to keep tabs on an RSS feed and Jim is ok with doing
> a manual daily check, then what do you need us to commit to in terms of
> 'enforcing proper usage' to get the Wiki back up?
>
> Regards,
> Chris B.
And a related question - in what way should we respond if we come across
problems? Is there going to be a preferred email address for reporting such
things, or are there going to be janitors that can lock pages/privileges
temporarily?
-Reactor
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"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> On a more technical level (of which I know much less about) these newsgroups
> apparently are not too much troubled by outside enemical influences.
Well, the HTML version of the newsgroup uses a customized system that may be too
much trouble for hackers to figure out, whereas MediaWiki is everywhere on the
Net, and tools designed for one can easily be applied to another. Not sure
about the traditional means of accessing newsgroups...
-Mike
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"Reactor" <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:web.4941880fb9967b05353f48a70@news.povray.org...
> And a related question - in what way should we respond if we come across
> problems? Is there going to be a preferred email address for reporting
> such
> things, or are there going to be janitors that can lock pages/privileges
> temporarily?
I don't know about the others who have spoken up, but I have sysop
privledges on the wiki because of my project. I've also learned enough about
wiki markup that I'd be willing to serve as technical resource if users have
questions. I think this forum (newsgroups) would be adequate enough to field
questions/concerns.
Anyone got any better ideas?
Jim
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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> "Reactor" <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:web.4941880fb9967b05353f48a70@news.povray.org...
> > And a related question - in what way should we respond if we come across
> > problems? Is there going to be a preferred email address for reporting
> > such
> > things, or are there going to be janitors that can lock pages/privileges
> > temporarily?
>
> I don't know about the others who have spoken up, but I have sysop
> privledges on the wiki because of my project. I've also learned enough about
> wiki markup that I'd be willing to serve as technical resource if users have
> questions. I think this forum (newsgroups) would be adequate enough to field
> questions/concerns.
>
> Anyone got any better ideas?
>
> Jim
That does give me an idea, actually. It might be a nice thing to have a
povray.wiki group for these sorts of discussions as well as questions/concerns
about the wiki. In some ways, the main talk page kind of served some of that
functionality, but I think most people, myself included, tend to go to the
newsgroups more often.
-Reactor
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"Reactor" <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> That does give me an idea, actually. It might be a nice thing to have a
> povray.wiki group for these sorts of discussions as well as
> questions/concerns
> about the wiki. In some ways, the main talk page kind of served some of
> that
> functionality, but I think most people, myself included, tend to go to the
> newsgroups more often.
Yes, I like this forum as well. A wiki newsgroup sounds like a good idea!
Jim
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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schreef in bericht
> news:49359573$1@news.povray.org...
>
>>What you say makes some sense, that a group is composed of individuals so
>>you can't build the momentum of a collaborative group without the
>>contributions of individuals, and so ultimately it comes down to the
>>decision of each individual to contribute or not.
>>
>>I remember I thought the wiki idea had some exciting potential. For me it
>>stemmed from the sense of flexibility and scalability. The promise, it
>>seemed to me, was there would be a readymade place to build, say, a
>>tutorial, or have a conversation around some technique, that would make it
>>easy to do, similar to how blogging servers make things easy.
>>
>>I know what discouraged me early on was the unfortunate security issues
>>and apparent vandalisation. It led to the feeling that work put into a
>>tutorial, say, could be vandalised. I know that techical people around
>>here did a good job of nipping the problem but it sent a chill.
>>
>>Now of course I would also be fighting time constraints along with the
>>realization that my own work, technically, has fallen even father behind
>>the leading edge of what is going on here. But I still love the idea of
>>metaphorically speaking, being able to walk into a room with a chalkboard
>>available, and have a converation with a you or a Thomas De Groot, or
>>Steve Piaget, and be able to quickly illustrate what we mean as easily as
>>if drawing on a slate.
>>
>>Also I think it might prove worthwhile to try and analyze what the
>>newsgroup format offers that has given it such lasting success here.
>>
>
>
> To start with your last comment, I believe that the lasting success is
> certainly due to the unrelenting dedication to the povray matter of each and
> every individual posting on these newsgroups. That is not as obvious as it
> seems apparently, many newsgroups sooner or later degrade into uninteresting
> blah blah. We do not, and surprisingly, all newcomers take over the
> unofficial standards that have been set or have grown over the years.
> Another point of success certainly is also the fast, friendly, and expert
> responses people are getting to their questions. For all those years I am
> visiting these newsgroups, I am still always deeply impressed by all those
> high standard contributions given freely and in good humour. Let me make use
> of the opportunity to suggest a big applause to all of you, and especially
> to those who always know the answer to the whole range of simple to
> difficult matters.
Huzzah!
> monitoring?) I am rather a lay person about that. However, the fact that the
> wiki is more exposed to the outside and has to be protected forcibly is a
> sad development which does not make its use easier.
Yes, I think I was not mature enough to accept that as is on the first pass.
>So, I suppose that
> people are going mainly to the newsgroups for their information, even if
> that means that older information is more difficult to find again, which
> results sometimes in re-inventing the wheel several times in a number of
> cases.
That is a good point of comparison. A wiki should, in theory, make the
history of endeavor around a particular idea nore accessible because it
is all recorded in the same place. But that issue is a little vague to
my personal understand. In a wiki is history eclipsed by subsequent
additions, or retained in an understandable way?
Related to this idea is the notion of information depth.
Might we have to face up to the possibility
that we were frightened away from the wiki precisely because it offered,
and in a sense, demanded, more depth? It may be that really only a few
herw have the real ability to take advantage of the increased richness.
Just as Twitter's popularity stems from a kind of imposed limitation,
is it possible that the type of activity flourishing here finds the most
effective support in the limited or improvised capacities of a newsgroup
posting?
Another possible issue is a kind of author ownership of ideas. With the
present setup, we have a minimalized trading floor to link to private
sites for tutorials etc., where the author might gain more personal
benefit from making their contributions public.
-Jim
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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> The POV-Ray wiki (http://wiki.povray.org/) is redirecting to a page
> saying "POV-Wiki is down until further notice". Can we have some details on
> what happened to it?
I hate to bring up an old topic... but I would like to hear a status update
whenever possible. I have some things I'd like to add to the radiosity
article, and I've learned a lot about water and photons lately...
-Reactor
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"Reactor" <rea### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> I hate to bring up an old topic... but I would like to hear a status
> update
> whenever possible. I have some things I'd like to add to the radiosity
> article, and I've learned a lot about water and photons lately...
The wiki is available again.
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