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From: Warp
Subject: Re: IRTC to be revived
Date: 8 Mar 2008 20:16:22
Message: <47d33a66@news.povray.org>
s.day <s.d### [at] uelacuk> wrote:
> I like the idea of a competition every 2 months (for stills) as I am impatient
> to see the entries for each round. However, I would also like to have more than
> 2 months to create an image. It would be good to have the topics for each round
> announced 3 or 4 months in advance.

  Actually I like that idea. Have a compo each 2 months, but announce the
topic of each compo 3 monts before its deadline (or something along the
lines).

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: IRTC to be revived
Date: 9 Mar 2008 05:36:44
Message: <47d3bdbc$1@news.povray.org>
"s.day" <s.d### [at] uelacuk> schreef in bericht 
news:web.47d32e65db92fe1285a73e9b0@news.povray.org...
> I like the idea of a competition every 2 months (for stills) as I am 
> impatient
> to see the entries for each round. However, I would also like to have more 
> than
> 2 months to create an image. It would be good to have the topics for each 
> round
> announced 3 or 4 months in advance. Whatever the deadline and without a 
> prize I
> will enter the first round of the revamped IRTC (partly because I would 
> love the
> chance to compete against the other users who have said they plan to 
> enter, even
> if I know I could not beat them).
>
I support this idea. Having more than 2 months to think about a round would 
be very nice.

Thomas


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From: Mike the Elder
Subject: Re: IRTC to be revived
Date: 9 Mar 2008 09:45:00
Message: <web.47d3f454db92fe1273e406e60@news.povray.org>
Fa3ien <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> wrote:
....
> ... Reviving IRTC without prizes is the recipe
> for a new disaster.
....

Respectfully, I must disagree rather strongly.

Prizes, especially very valuable ones, tend to
attract mercenary participants and bring out their
worst behaviors.





Also, large prizes tend to come from corporate sponsors
who never GIVE anything to anybody.  One way or another
sponsors will see to it that a contest is skewed to
promote THEIR products.  IF there are going to be
any prizes, I would much prefer that they remain
small token prizes to enhance the fun of participating,
say a coffee cup with the winning image.

Best Regards,
Mike C.


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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: IRTC to be revived
Date: 10 Mar 2008 00:06:15
Message: <47d4c1c7@news.povray.org>
Fa3ien wrote:
> Look at when prizes were dropped.  Must explain a lot.  Reviving IRTC 
> without prizes is the recipe for a new disaster.

Prizes were never an important part of the IRTC. The vast majority of
entrants enter not to win something physical but for the satisfaction of
doing so. They also benefit from the respect of their peers.

If we were to have prizes at all, I would prefer that they be relevant
(e.g. a poster print of, perhaps, the winning image, or some other image of
the entrants choosing).

-- Chris


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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: IRTC to be revived
Date: 10 Mar 2008 00:10:33
Message: <47d4c2c9$1@news.povray.org>
One thing we might want to consider is whether or not, this time around, we
decide that IRTC stands for 'raytracing competition' or 'rendering
competition'. Officially it's always stood for 'raytracing competition',
even though the IRTC permitted scanline rendered images to be submitted.

My personal feeling is that I would like to see the IRTC be a raytracing
competition. I'm sure there are other places that folks who use scanline
renderers can compete; there are fewer opportunities for raytracer users
to compete with others using only raytracing.

-- Chris


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: IRTC to be revived
Date: 10 Mar 2008 01:10:40
Message: <47d4d0e0@news.povray.org>
Chris Cason wrote:
> One thing we might want to consider is whether or not, this time around, we
> decide that IRTC stands for 'raytracing competition' or 'rendering
> competition'. Officially it's always stood for 'raytracing competition',
> even though the IRTC permitted scanline rendered images to be submitted.
> 
> My personal feeling is that I would like to see the IRTC be a raytracing
> competition. I'm sure there are other places that folks who use scanline
> renderers can compete; there are fewer opportunities for raytracer users
> to compete with others using only raytracing.

But then we get into questions about GI renderers that don't follow the 
traditional raytracing paradigm.

Personally, I've always thought of it as a POV-Ray competition anyway, 
even if it wasn't the official POV-Comp ;)

-- 
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com


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From: Jan Dvorak
Subject: Re: IRTC to be revived
Date: 10 Mar 2008 02:53:40
Message: <47d4e904$1@news.povray.org>
Chris Cason napsal(a):
> Fa3ien wrote:
>> Look at when prizes were dropped.  Must explain a lot.  Reviving IRTC 
>> without prizes is the recipe for a new disaster.
> 
> Prizes were never an important part of the IRTC. The vast majority of
> entrants enter not to win something physical but for the satisfaction of
> doing so. They also benefit from the respect of their peers.
> 
> If we were to have prizes at all, I would prefer that they be relevant
> (e.g. a poster print of, perhaps, the winning image, or some other image of
> the entrants choosing).
> 
> -- Chris
I would like a puzzle (1000+ pieces) of the picture ;-)
This amplifies any mistake :-)

-- 
the ultimate time-killer:
+a0.0 +am2 +r9

Johnny D


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: IRTC to be revived
Date: 10 Mar 2008 04:15:20
Message: <47d4fc27@news.povray.org>
Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote:
> But then we get into questions about GI renderers that don't follow the 
> traditional raytracing paradigm.

  If they render by tracing rays, they are raytracers.

  I think the more relevant question is whether hybrid renderers are
acceptable. In other words, those which render the "first recursion
level" by scanline-rendering, and deeper recursion levels (reflections,
refractions, shadows...) by raytracing.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: IRTC to be revived
Date: 10 Mar 2008 04:26:09
Message: <bjv9t3tperl2t9c6219mn8mbo0hmi7tfvh@4ax.com>
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:10:35 +1100, Chris Cason
<del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:

>One thing we might want to consider is whether or not, this time around, we
>decide that IRTC stands for 'raytracing competition' or 'rendering
>competition'. Officially it's always stood for 'raytracing competition',
>even though the IRTC permitted scanline rendered images to be submitted.
>
>My personal feeling is that I would like to see the IRTC be a raytracing
>competition. I'm sure there are other places that folks who use scanline
>renderers can compete; there are fewer opportunities for raytracer users
>to compete with others using only raytracing.
>
My own personal opinion is similar to yours. The IRTC is hosted on the PovRay
server so it seems natural that it should be for PovRay rendered images. But the
IRTC has historically permitted scanline rendered images to be submitted and it
reaches a wide audience. So we have two contests now. The TINA CHeP which was
born on these newsgroups is really only known here. So I propose that the IRTC
should be open to all computer art and with St's agreement and permission TINA
CHeP is a PovRay only challenge.

Regards
	Stephen


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From: SÅ‚awomir Szczyrba
Subject: Re: IRTC to be revived
Date: 10 Mar 2008 05:40:24
Message: <slrn.fta40h.mbq.steev@hot.pl>
Do you believe in fate, Chris Cason?
[...]
> If we were to have prizes at all, I would prefer that they be relevant
> (e.g. a poster print of, perhaps, the winning image, or some other image of
> the entrants choosing).
>
IRTC CD would be nice price... :)

> -- Chris

Slawek
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