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ingo <ing### [at] tag povrayorg> wrote:
> It may sound strange, but no organizational parameters and don't
> conform. Ok, one parameter, try to 'crosslink' as much as possible.
To me the amount of crosslink is what will make or break the
usefulness of the site. It won't matter what the garbage-to-content
ratio is as long as people take the time to link it all together well,
with explanations of what they're linking to.
> Let it evolve.
As it surely will, but even the most brief development of an idea
or common purpose will save a lot of wasted effort.
> Maybe 'your friend' shoud create a page "ThoughtsOnPOV-RayWiki" and link
> it from the frontpage or the dDiscussionGroups page.
Here, there, wherever.
> I.m.o a newsgroup is often too 'fast', with too many people talking. A
> wiki is nice and slow and the result of an idea or discussion can be
> seen on one page. A few years ago I set one up in our development
> department and it works great. Before that we tried mailing lists and e-
> mail, but somhowe we never came to a 'conclusive document'. Wiki's work.
I don't think anyone here is looking for a 'conclusive document,' just
a bit of vision. The newsgroup is a great place for everyone to get
ideas out interactively.
Obviously after the Wiki gets rolling the newsgroups will become
redundant, but I hate to see it abandoned as a useful discussion
for initial setup and ideas.
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Tom Melly wrote:
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> I've set these up, but please feel free to add more or remove/modify my
> additions (well, it is a wiki...)
>
It looks like they are taking your advice Tom :P
http://povray.tirnalong.com/ow.asp?RecentChanges
It seems the community has things well in hand. I will act as a wiki
fairy, but will leave the major content to the brighter minds. I look
forward to seeing what this will evolve into.
Please don't hesitate to yell if there is an administrative task on the
server that needs attention.
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Tom Galvin wrote:
> Tom Melly wrote:
>
>>
>> I've set these up, but please feel free to add more or remove/modify my
>> additions (well, it is a wiki...)
>>
>
> It looks like they are taking your advice Tom :P
>
> http://povray.tirnalong.com/ow.asp?RecentChanges
>
> It seems the community has things well in hand. I will act as a wiki
> fairy, but will leave the major content to the brighter minds. I look
> forward to seeing what this will evolve into.
>
> Please don't hesitate to yell if there is an administrative task on the
> server that needs attention.
Interesting... the Album cover looks almost Gilles Tranesque...
--
~Mike
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Tom Melly wrote:
> "Neil Kolban" <kol### [at] kolbancom> wrote in message
> news:41daca10$1@news.povray.org...
>
>>The URL for the Wiki is http://povray.tirnalong.com
>>
>
>
> I'm very hopeful about this idea.
>
> Can we register other url's and point them to the same IP address? e.g.
> www.wikipov.org ?
>
Sure, but in the DNS server do it as a CNAME record for
povray.tirnalong.com instead of an A record with the IP address. That
way one DNS edit will update them all if for some reason I need to move
the server to another IP address.
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"Tom Galvin" <tom### [at] impnospamorg> wrote in message
news:41dc2dd8$1@news.povray.org...
>
> It seems the community has things well in hand. I will act as a wiki
> fairy, but will leave the major content to the brighter minds. I look
> forward to seeing what this will evolve into.
I have to admit that some of my earlier reservations are disappearing fast -
I guess I just find the thought of self-organising systems a bit bizarre
(and there's me giving the creationists a hard time over in OT).
A better editor would still be nice.... pretty please?
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Tom Melly wrote:
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> A better editor would still be nice.... pretty please?
>
>
I don't know how to answer that. It is a wiki, so folks expect it to
act like a wiki, which means you format using text patterns. Can you
give a link to an editor that exemplifies what you are seeking? Do you
mean something like the forum posting editors, where it squirts smileys
bold/italic and other codes into your web forms??
Now if you want to modify how it displays, then that's a different
kettle of fish. This wiki uses XML and CSS so those can be modified
fairly easily.
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ingo wrote:
> in news:41dc10b0@news.povray.org Jim Charter wrote:
>
>
>>[...] You have begun to address one of
>>the two big things this person would be wanting to know: what are the
>>organizational parameters. They want to know where to go and how to
>>conform.
>
>
> It may sound strange, but no organizational parameters and don't
> conform.
Dare we think it? It'll drive up insurance rates you know.
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> Obviously after the Wiki gets rolling the newsgroups will become
> redundant, but I hate to see it abandoned as a useful discussion
> for initial setup and ideas.
I don't think so. It's not feasible to post WIP in a Wiki, right? Or
discussing algorithms and approaches, even though they may be covered within
the Wiki. Fast help (like p.newusers) also won't be a part of the Wiki, like
someone said: Wikis are slow and evolve over time.
I tend to think the Wiki will end up being a rather resourceful
Documentation, Tutorial Database and Pov-Scripting Guidance all in one
"readable document", an addition to the actual "confrontation" here on the
newsgroups.
--
"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
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"Tom Galvin" <tom### [at] impnospamorg> wrote in message
news:41dc593f$1@news.povray.org...
> Can you
> give a link to an editor that exemplifies what you are seeking?
Well, something like the editor used with wikipedia - hang on, I'll try to
find out what they use...
> Do you
> mean something like the forum posting editors, where it squirts smileys
> bold/italic and other codes into your web forms??
Yuk, no. More like a few simple icons for inserting links, headings and
tables, etc.
> Now if you want to modify how it displays, then that's a different
> kettle of fish. This wiki uses XML and CSS so those can be modified
> fairly easily.
I'll RTFM and find out what's available.
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Tom Melly wrote:
>>Do you
>>mean something like the forum posting editors, where it squirts smileys
>>bold/italic and other codes into your web forms??
>
>
> Yuk, no. More like a few simple icons for inserting links, headings and
> tables, etc.
>
>
Something like this?
http://www.kiddo.co.nz/wiki/wikieditor.html
This could be a starting point, but it needs a good bit of work, to be
made stable and work cross-browser.
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